Help needed finding a grünmiliert LWFD jacket with similar markings!!

[Jan43]

Hi everybody
please help me finding out info on early grünmiliert splinter LWFD jacket
with similar markings on the inside, with never seen(by me) before markers
mark Nr.164 ?
<a href="http://s115.photobucket.com/albums/n302/zr1jan/?action=view&current=LWFieldJmin.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n302/zr1jan/LWFieldJmin.jpg" border="0" alt="LWFD jacket markings"></a>

If you have a similar jacket please react to this thread either here or to
me personally by a pm:

I`d like to find out if the eagle that where in the pocket are the original one
as the seller told me ????

THANKS IN ADVANCE

[Willi Z.]

Jan, even the same maker could use several variations of eagles; especially with wool backed eagles in the mix.

For example; the early GM splinter smocks made in 1942 can have GM eagles or wool eagles. The smocks were all made by the same manufacturer.

[Jos L C]

Any shots of the eagle ?


Jos.

[Jan43]

Luftwaffe Field Division Jacket Eagle

I know you are right Willi, but I´m reaching for staws

If somebody out there have exactly the same type of Luftwaffe field
division jacket in grünmiliert there are a chance we can see an examble
of what eagle is on and if its zigzaged tight (early) or zigzag open (midwar)
I´m thinking that maybe the Nr.164 markers mark is a limited number
of jackets.


I have a grünmiliertbacked eagle, but IF there are any truth to the story,
which I belive, its possible we learn something new and the right
eagle goes back on it´s place, and that will be neat

[Jan43]

Exambles on LWFD found in the forum
HBT Wool


Canvas Wool


another HBT Wool


HBT Wool piece of jacket


Please feal free to ad Examble so we can fire up on this thread, so we
can see if we can learn something new

[John Hodgin]

The "canvas/wool" eagle is possibly a reproduction.

Tight or loose zig-zag sewing of an eagle is not necessarily an indication of early or late war production. Please consider the late war eagle on the recent splinter smock thread.

[John Hodgin]

This style eagle was sometimes applied to GM fabric FD jackets.

[Jan43]

Willi when you say early GM smocks, do you also think this aplies to
LWFD jackets?
do you know if the Maker Nr.164 also made jumpsmocks?

John First thanks alot for a SUPERP book " German Paratroops in North
Africa " a must have for anyone who are interested in fallschirmjäger.

you´r right about the canvas/wool eagle, it goes in the repro mab

Could you please explain you sentens " Please consider the late war eagle on the recent splinter smock thread." a little more clearly, I´m afraid my english
are failing me on this one

I think my jacket belongs to the last of these types of jackets in GM around
the end of the midwar period around year 43,
hence the markers Nr.164 , and I think it is in this period, there are aa mix of
tight/full or loose /open zigzaging,
and the eagle that came with the jacket
(in the pocket) has some remnans of the purple/gray thread normally used
on latewar HBT jacket(see picture,the purple nuance are clear in normal light).


So we are still missing a picture of a GM LWFD jacket with a original wool eagle
so if anyone in this forum has one of these, any help will be much appreciated,
to solve this puzzle

John Super eagles(the first isn´t it a jumpsmock!!)

[Erwin L]

Hello Jan

Interesting thread. I have a HBT LWFD jacket with maker 164 with a nicely zigzag stitched eagle. I have seen also another one with maker 164.

regards Erwin

[Erwin L]

Hello Jan

Perhaps this example helps you

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=lwfd&page=12

regards Erwin

[SMP]

Hello Jan

Perhaps this example helps you

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=lwfd&page=12

regards Erwin

I think that is a repro eagle that has been added, Erwin.

[Erwin L]

Hello Steve

I believe Fred stated in his discription that he wasn't sure about the eagle but the lwfd jascket is also a grunmeliert type if i'm correct. Thanks for correcting me i hadn't read that proper.

regards Erwin

[Jan43]

Hi guys thanks for advice, but I can´t seem to find the one you´r referring to,
in the thread, could you please post it here so I/we can see it.

It really seems to be a rare jacket, because of the fabric, maybe I´m wrong about the dating of it, as almost every FD jacket in here are of other fabric,
maybe it´s from earlier in 42 than I thought

I will try to take some better pictures and show in here. Thanks so far

[Jan43]

Thanks to Erwin and steve,
I just found the thread "Lw Fd Camo Jacket", with Mayer´s beautifull HBT
jacket, from the same maker, and it was disscused that this Nr.164 number
meant that even though it isn´t a real rbn.nr it must be latewar markings,
So it would really be interesting if anyone knew something about this
marker, or can show pictures of jackets maybe even earlier than mine
with markers real name, so we can establish the real cronology of this
particualy markers FD jackets.

I believe I read somewhere that these jackets were made on the same
factories as tropical uniforms, hence the scrabfabric for inner pockets, so
maybe we can find the same Nr.164 markings in four pockets uniforms??
Does anyone know something about this?

Another question concerning the eagle who "came" with this uniform, which
I showed in the start of this thread is in a LIGHT gray wool backgroung,
opposed to f.ex the one on Mayer´s are made in a darker wool--
Question; Does this LIGHT gray wool backed eagle say something about
is´t an EARLY war eagle, as the LIGHT gray wool in the EARLY war fliegerblouse
which also are made of LIGHT gray wool?? I think the pattern of it surely
looks earlywar to me!! Any others thoughts on this will be welcome too

[Jan43]

A little correction to the last paragraf I wrote in the last reply,

The eagle that Came with the jacket are more of a Midwar pattern maybe early 42,
Willi will propably know exact when

But still, does the LIGHT gray wool show early war production?