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    #16
    Originally posted by Blued View Post
    Pardon my ignorance but I have two questions but I'm sure those here know the answer:

    A) I thought all flight crew soldbuchs had a red "F" stamped on page 1. Was this not always the case?

    B) If he went MIA, does this mean flight crew did not carry their soldbuchs on themselves during sorties, unlike army soldiers that carried theirs into battle?
    A) Never seen that ...or at least do not recall seeing that, however Fliegendes Personal was written on page 1, I believe from 1944 to signify aircrew including paratroops.

    B) The Soldbuch was never carried on an aircraft or ship.....in the case of the Luftwaffe a Fliegendes Personal Ausweis (Tarnausweis) was carried, containing minimal means of identification and a photo.
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    Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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      #17
      Originally posted by JUNGCO View Post
      Interesting is that, he is only an Obergefreiter in the Soldbbch.
      There is a footnote in the loss report stating it should read Fw. and not Ofw. for his rank..... KG 2 book has him down as Ofw. also whereas the Vermisstenbildliste has him as an Uffz.!

      /Ian
      Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

      Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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        #18
        Originally posted by Ian Jewison View Post
        A) Never seen that ...or at least do not recall seeing that, however Fliegendes Personal was written on page 1, I believe from 1944 to signify aircrew including paratroops.

        B) The Soldbuch was never carried on an aircraft or ship.....in the case of the Luftwaffe a Fliegendes Personal Ausweis (Tarnausweis) was carried, containing minimal means of identification and a photo.
        Thanks a lot Ian

        So for (A), since the soldbuch that started this thread was early and he went MIA before 1944, the Fliegendes Personal enscription would not be inputted? Therefor the enscription should not be looked for always

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          #19
          Ian,yes they must have promoted Mai posthumously. His promotion to Obergefreiter was on 1.7.42, just a little over a month before his death.

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            #20
            Ian. Thanks for more info on my man. I was able to identify the Feldpost Number on page 1, but I could not find a list of Staffelkapitans from any of the 'Gruppes'. Nice to have that identified.

            Jeff. I saw that book on M321 as well, but did not go after it. It looked very nice though, you don't see much with Dieppe connections! I wonder if my man was active in the Dieppe raid? From my research it seems a lot of KG 2 was scrambled in defense that day.

            Ian. This KG 2 book you have has a wealth of information in it! Much appreciated once again.

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              #21
              Originally posted by Blued View Post
              Thanks a lot Ian

              So for (A), since the soldbuch that started this thread was early and he went MIA before 1944, the Fliegendes Personal enscription would not be inputted? Therefor the enscription should not be looked for always
              Found it....the order came from OKL on 6.7.44. It required that their specialty/trade would be written in red and placed between their name and their Erkennungsmarke.

              So before that time it was not written in Soldbuch....the was said for ground crew as well....I will try and start another thread with examples later.

              /Ian
              Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

              Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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                #22
                Originally posted by bsmith56 View Post
                I wonder if my man was active in the Dieppe raid? From my research it seems a lot of KG 2 was scrambled in defense that day.
                Theres a good chance he did.....9 Staffel took off at 10.37 on 19.8.1942. 3 aircraft were lost from that Staffel, 2 from Gruppen Stab and 26 from the Geschwader as a whole!

                /Ian
                Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by Ian Jewison View Post
                  Found it....the order came from OKL on 6.7.44. It required that their specialty/trade would be written in red and placed between their name and their Erkennungsmarke.

                  So before that time it was not written in Soldbuch....the was said for ground crew as well....I will try and start another thread with examples later.

                  /Ian
                  Great info.

                  That would be cool to see examples. Thanks!

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