I'm sure Ian J. can give you the exact date and a more detailed explanation but from what he's shared with me in pervious discussions regarding this topic I think that the first Soldbücher were printed and issued just before the outbreak of the war... In other words, it would be impossible for this Soldbuch to be issued on the date that was entered because it didn't physically exist. Most likely that date represents when his service time began. Rob.
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Ok. The ID obviously not a forgery. I have SBs with early 1930 dates writeen in on page 3 but a 1939 date on page 2. I know the SBs are supposed to be dated on the day they were issued. I have some that are not dated at all on page 2. So the date policy was not rigorously followed. There are a range of reasons why the ID has a 1938 date on page 2 (clerical errors,...) and none of them would cause this SB to have a problem. I don't see anything that would cause alarm.Comment
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Hello
Thank you for your comments Brooksbz and rob But I am sceptical on the fact that the soldbuch was not opened in 1938 (see again page 18 two dates) I do not still have find the date of creation of the soldbuch.
He has can be been open for the annexation of sudètes in september 1938?
Fritz lieder participate in the annexation of the sudetes and recevie the Erinnerung octobre 1938
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I also think is a clerck mistake or he ignore the regulations and put the date of start serving with the unit.
The earliest Soldbuch I have is one to a memebr of Panzergrenadier Regiment 1 used on March 12th, 1.939 for a soldier who started his service on February 21st, 1.939.
Never seen one dated earlier thana this nor in 1.938.
Waiting for others opinions
Thanks for showing such a wonderful piece.
Angel
Looking for DKiG Heer winner Soldbuch who also won the TDB and/or CCC, specially in Silver.Comment
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Hi guys!
This Soldbuch is correct, IMO.
I have one from the "LAH" (directly from the man himself with all his other stuff), it was opened on the 24th of September 1938. At that time he was a member of the "14. / LAH". And - as always when we have early Soldbooks for SS-soldiers it's a "Heer-Soldbuch".
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Hi David!
In addition I have to say that I like Your grouping very much!
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Very nice soldbuch
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That Soldbuch has a lot... soul! Excellent!
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Thanks for your comments
here is one of the signature present in the soldbuch
Ullerich hugo Sturmbannführer
SS number 257782
KDR.ss - flak - abt.1
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nothing wrong with it!
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Hello and thank you for your comments
Here are two pictures to enliven the signatures
the Hugo Ullerich Sturmbannführer has the right on the photo
The K.H Vogler obersturmführer adjutant of the flak kommander Centre
And the last picture is the summary of career as ss-Sturmbannführer Alfred Gilles kommander of the ss - pz.inst. - abt.1 and div. - engineer in 1944 the lssah ', is that the signature is that of Gilles on his fahrlehrerschein
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Hello has all
Further to the searches make in this soldbuch of the lssah
It seems to me to have recognized the signature of the Stubaf Jakob HANREICH
the felpost is 34578
(Mobilmachung-1.1.1940) Panzer-Abwehr-Sturm SS-Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler,
(28.4.1940-19.9.1940) Panzerjäger-Sturm SS-Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler,
dann Panzerjäger-Sturm verstärkte Leibstandarte SS A.H.,
it is possible to can he confirm me it
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Looks like a good chance it is....below is the info from "Führerliste der Waffen SS" by J.P. Moore.
If you google him you can find the following info which puts him in the same Kompanie:
One such example found in the UK (reference WO 208/3647) is the interrogation of SS-Stubaf Jacob Hanreich
1911, born Austria
1929, SA "rising to the rank of Scharfuehrer, and has been in the Allgemeine SS and Bayrische Hilfspolizei. A tough type."
10 May 1933, posted to Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler, Berlin
1935, Platoon leader in 6 Company as SS-Ustuf
1937, transferred to 14 Coy (A/Tk Coy)
1938, A/Tk Lehrgang at Doeberitz
from Sept 1939, LAH Regiment went through Polish, French and Greek campaigns
mid March 1941, unit to Bruenn then into Russia
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=101640
/IanPhotos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection
Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1
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very nice ss soldbuch ! congratulations...Comment
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Hi all -
First of all, I would like to congratulate the owner of this original Soldbuch.
I too was perplexed when I saw the issue date of this book. Two questions arise:
1. Does anyone possess the original regulation (OKW?) regarding the issuance of Soldbuecher? What is the date?
2. When did the SS first come up with its own gray Soldbuch with the runic cover?
Best regards,
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