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**erichcraciun** · 10-05-2004, 09:40 PM

Gut gemacht Yancy!

Your question, as to how many Wehrpaesse to a single unit; the vendor could be correct he certainly could have been purchased them "over or under the table" from some sort of Government source (perhaps Hungary?). The 46. ID fought in Hungary and Czech Republic at the end of the war. I would be very interested if there is any body that lists anything to the 357. ID like the Gren. Regt. 944, 945 or 946.

Please post your questions!

Erich

Originally posted by Yancy Irwin

Hello,

i made a great find at the MAX show over the weekend,i was able to get 22 wehrpass from the 46 I.D,most were from A.R 114 but also there were some from the divisons Pz jager unit,most had served with other units prior to serving in the 46 i.D,the person i bought these from kept 2 one from a man who had fought in Stalingrad prior to transfereing the the 46 I.D and one for a man who fought in a battle he was interested in while serving in a unit prior to the 46 I.D,he sold me the other 22,how often are that many wehrpass to men in the same units found?i have never seen that many wehrpass to one division/Rgt being sold,he told me they came from a eastern european government file that was auctioned were several with alot of awards allmost all had the Krim shield and the ostmedaile plus a bunch of EK II's and one EK I and a KVK I,I though it was a neat find,i will be posting a ton of questions i have about entries in these wehrpass

**Radcollector** · 10-06-2004, 05:04 PM

Originally posted by erichcraciun

Gut gemacht Yancy!

Your question, as to how many Wehrpaesse to a single unit; the vendor could be correct he certainly could have been purchased them "over or under the table" from some sort of Government source (perhaps Hungary?). The 46. ID fought in Hungary and Czech Republic at the end of the war. I would be very interested if there is any body that lists anything to the 357. ID like the Gren. Regt. 944, 945 or 946.

Please post your questions!

Erich

Hello Erich,

the collector that i bought these from lives in the Czech Republic,he said he bought them there.as for my questions i will start writting them down and makeing many scans!there are some with very bad hand writting ,most have entries im guessing from the same clerk/records keeper he had easy to read handwritting.there are alot of training entry's,some battle entry's im unsure about.

**Edward** · 10-06-2004, 05:17 PM

Originally posted by Yancy Irwin

Hello Erich,

the collector that i bought these from lives in the Czech Republic,he said he bought them there.as for my questions i will start writting them down and makeing many scans!there are some with very bad hand writting ,most have entries im guessing from the same clerk/records keeper he had easy to read handwritting.there are alot of training entry's,some battle entry's im unsure about.

Hello Yancy,

Nice additions to your collection.

Regards

**Radcollector** · 10-06-2004, 08:48 PM

Originally posted by Edward

Hello Yancy,

Nice additions to your collection.

Regards

Hello,thanks edward !i am very pleased with my find,it made what would have been a not so good sunday at the MAX worth the trip back there.Erich here are my first 2 questions both about entry's in the same wehrpass,one the special training entry (i still have trouble figureing these out even when i can read the writting) the other entry i cant read so i have no idea whats it purpose is.

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**Radcollector** · 10-06-2004, 08:51 PM

the second entry

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**Erich B.** · 10-06-2004, 11:42 PM

Yancy, the first says 'Schuhmacher' (shoe maker).
Erich

**Erich B.** · 10-06-2004, 11:53 PM

The second looks like:
7.10.40: Tag der ersten Belehrung über Geheimhaltung militärischer Dinge und Spionage .........3. Batt. ......../Abt. 114......

That would mean--the day of the first training about the handling of secret military things and espionage.
Erich

**Radcollector** · 10-11-2004, 08:11 PM

Hello Erich,

thanks for the fast response,after you mentioned the first entry as shuhmacher i can see it when i look back however on that second entry even after you told me what it says i still cant make out the letters!!what would we do without you german forum members

if you dont mind here are a few more,i understand most of the entrys in the 22 wehrpass but each one has 1 or 2 that i dont understand and usually they are the training entrys.the only 2 i understand are geschutzefuhrer -gun comander and unterfuhrer lehrgang-NCO course.

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**Radcollector** · 10-11-2004, 08:16 PM

is this entry just stateing that this is a replacement wehrpass?

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**Gary Cain** · 10-11-2004, 09:18 PM

Hey Erich,
Good to hear from you again! Are you in the U.S. or Germany? I have succesfully escaped California and am now in Carson City.

Tchuss!
Gary

Originally posted by erichcraciun

Gut gemacht Yancy!

Your question, as to how many Wehrpaesse to a single unit; the vendor could be correct he certainly could have been purchased them "over or under the table" from some sort of Government source (perhaps Hungary?). The 46. ID fought in Hungary and Czech Republic at the end of the war. I would be very interested if there is any body that lists anything to the 357. ID like the Gren. Regt. 944, 945 or 946.

Please post your questions!

Erich

**Stijn David** · 10-11-2004, 11:14 PM

Entry's

Hello Yancy ,

Very nice find it does seems, he are a few more of the trainings :

* Fahrer vom Sattel
* Reitsausbilder
* Geschützführer
* Unterführerlehrgang
* Kfz. Uffz. (Kraftfahrzeug Unteroffizier)
* Fahrlehrgang für R.S.O. ( Rauppenschlepper Ost )

I hope this was already of some help.

Cordial greetings

**Erich B.** · 10-12-2004, 08:59 AM

Hello Yancy,
Yes, the other entry indicates that this is a 3rd Wehrpass as the first and 2nd were destroyed through enemy activity.
Erich

**douglynn** · 10-12-2004, 09:26 AM

nice lot

great find

**Radcollector** · 10-12-2004, 06:17 PM

Hello Erich,

that makes some of the entrys make some sense now,there are a few that are 3rd issue wehrpass,they dont have a picture and alot of the entrys are done in the same handwritting and the same ink even though the entrys are for say 1942-1944,also in these third issue wehpass there are no unit/feldpost ink stamps on the award entrys,i thought for a second that the first few wehrpass i looked at had fake awards entrys because they were from different dates and different years but the handwritting and the ink color was the same and some had alot of awards,it wasnt untill i looked through the box and noticed they all were from the same unit and all had similar award entrys (allmost all had the ostmadaile,krimshield,KVK II with swords)the first issue ones had of course had pictures and award entrys with unit/feldpost stamps and different handwritting and ink,BTW it was on sunday when i talked to you and craig that i was in the middle of looking these over and working on the deal!this guy had some nice stuff for sale,im not sure if you knew him before the show,he is not a dealer/collector that i had ever heard of before,a nice guy though and more than willing to work with me on a last minute the MAX is allmost over deal!thanks stijn david for the help with the training entrys,that one for RSO i had no idea about untill a forum member from austria PMed me about this entry and provided me with some very neat pictures of this vehicle.you learn something new everyday

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