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    Unusual occupation? Diakon - Deacon. Inf.Btl. z.b.V. 540

    I have had this Soldbuch for quite some years but it has been in the "to do" pile.

    Picked up this evening and noticed his occupation was Diakon or deacon. I have seen Pfarrer before but never this!

    Herr Segner joined the Army 21.10.1936 and was discharged 2 years later as a Sanitäts-Gefreiter from Sanitäts Staffel Ludwigsburg.

    During mobilisation he was recalled on 24.9.1939. Seeing as this is a replacement Soldbuch from 26.11.1943, no idea what his previous units where. However his dog tag was Heimat Pferde Lazarett 112 and he was awarded the KVK II m/S 24.3.1942 from the same unit.

    This Soldbuch was issued by Panzerjäger Abteilung 200, 21 Panzer Division stationed around Rennes, France at the time.

    The FP Nr. written to page 1 is the unit he belonged to when he was wounded. 44477 D - 3 Kompanie, Infanterie-Bataillon 540
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    Last edited by Ian Jewison; 07-10-2012, 04:36 PM.
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    Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1
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    It can be see that this was made out to a Schützen rather than Gefreiter. So, for whatever reason he was reduced in rank and two weeks later he received kit issues from Infantry Ersatz Bataillon 500. The being the replacement unit for probation/penal units of the Wehrmacht!

    He was then transferred to Infanterie-Bataillon z.b.V. 540 figting in and around Leningrad under 18 Armee......this I am still researching.

    Interestingly he penultimate unit was attached to Korps Ringel commanded by General der Gebirgstruppe Julius Ringle EL.

    /Ian
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    Last edited by Ian Jewison; 07-10-2012, 04:37 PM.
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    Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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      #3
      Here a short part of a report from a man who met "Diakon Segner" 1960 during a trip near Heiligenrode:

      http://www.erinnerungen-im-netz.de/go/id/ow/


      "5. Wartburghütte des CVJM auf dem Viehberg bei Heiligenrode, 1960.

      Zu Hause gingen die normalen Ausflüge nach Heiligenrode, auf den Viehberg, in die "Wartburghütte" wo meistens der Diakon Segner unsere Leitungsperson war. Normalerweise fuhren wir mit dem Fahrrad dorthin.
      Im Sommer bei Hitze war der schönste Badeort für mich und wahrscheinlich auch andere das Wehr der Fulda bei Bergshausen. Die Fulda überströmte das Wehr und ein Teil des Wassers floss in ein Kraftwerk und erzeugte Strom. Dieser Teil der Fulda hatte eine recht starke Strömung und war nicht ungefährlich und wurde deshalb von uns gemieden. Wasser, welches das Wehr überströmte, floß anschließend breit auf einer gemauerten Fläche abwärts wieder in die Fulda. Auf den gemauerten Steinen zu liegen und sich vom Wasser überströmen zu lassen, so daß man sich in einer Gischtwolke befand."

      Gerdan

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        #4
        Thanks Gerdan,

        From that it gave me another link to the person's memories, where Diakon Rudolf Segner is mentioned so definitely the same man.

        /Ian
        Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

        Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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          #5
          So it seems that Rudolf Segner after WW2 remained in the status of a Diakon and did not continue his education/studies to become a "full reverend".

          Gerdan

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            #6
            Nice Soldbuch Ian. Thanks for sharing.

            Interestingly he was posted to the Führerreservere OKH-West as an other rank. Did he undergo some type of Officers training? The entry is unquestionably good. Just have never such an entry in an OR's Soldbuch like that before.

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              #7
              Yes, curious entry as I only recall it also in officers books!

              No officer training mentioned, however it is sketchy as to where he was when as he had no leave with 540 or 500 only convalescence after being wounded......

              Will show more later! The main reason I posted it was because of the unusual profession...as mentioned never seen that before! Apparently he went back to this post war also from info in the links that Gerdan provided.

              /Ian
              Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

              Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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                #8
                Neat book. I love the photo, almost certainly a pre-war vintage photo used in this late 1943-issue book.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Chris Pittman View Post
                  Neat book. I love the photo, almost certainly a pre-war vintage photo used in this late 1943-issue book.
                  Definately.....he has pre-war pointed shoulder boards but I could not make out the number on them.
                  Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                  Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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                    #10
                    Is their an entry(s) that may point to the possibility of his being posted as a Diakon/Pfarrer, or perhaps assigned to duties with someone who was? This may perhaps answer the Führerreserve entry.

                    Also, his Soldbuch was interestingly entered as "1" as a Schütze! Looks to be nicely filled out for a replacement Soldbuch too.
                    Last edited by Edward; 07-11-2012, 12:26 PM.

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                      #11
                      mitte

                      Originally posted by Ian Jewison View Post
                      Yes, curious entry as I only recall it also in officers books!

                      No officer training mentioned, however it is sketchy as to where he was when as he had no leave with 540 or 500 only convalescence after being wounded......

                      Will show more later! The main reason I posted it was because of the unusual profession...as mentioned never seen that before! Apparently he went back to this post war also from info in the links that Gerdan provided.

                      /Ian

                      Hi

                      I have a soldbuch to a guy who's last assignment was Fuhrer Reserve Mitte. He was not an officer or candidate. His previous unit was the supply company of Sicherungs Division 207. So did the Fuhrer Reserve have an actual physical location or did they wait at home or local garrison for an assignment? If so, then the Reserve would require a staff, supply , etc.

                      I also have a Inf Btl zbv 540 soldbuch and papers. My guy lost his leg and the soldbuch is in very rough condition. I think I found some info on the unit in Werner Haupt's book "Army Group North".

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                        #12
                        I have a soldbuch to a guy who's last assignment was Fuhrer Reserve Mitte. He was not an officer or candidate. His previous unit was the supply company of Sicherungs Division 207.

                        So did the Fuhrer Reserve have an actual physical location or did they wait at home or local garrison for an assignment?

                        If so, then the Reserve would require a staff, supply , etc.

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                          #13
                          Hi Lee,

                          Not sure about Führer Reserve....I thought they were put in this "group" as it were but still maintained some duty....I will need to dig some out as I have a couple in Reserve where their assignments are actually mentioned.

                          Incidentally I am waiting for a book to arrive "Die Bewaehrungstruppe 500" by Hans-Peter Klausch. That should help a bit on locations etc. for the other unit.

                          /Ian
                          Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                          Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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                            #14
                            That sounds good, I looked quite a bit on line but never found a detailed description on the Fuhrer Reserve. I have had the soldbuch with the Fuhrer Reserve Mitte for a while and know the guy was never an officer. I could not find any detail on Mitte either.

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