my Waffen-SS dogtag

[collectorGD]

Hi guys,

I wanted to show my Waffen-SS dogtag. This dogtag was in a big collection for 25 years before it came to mine. Together with the dogtag, there was a paper from the Wast with information of the previous owner. That paper was send to him in 1985 so it was truly in a big collection for 25 years

The dogtag was worn by Robert Kalitzky, born in 1921 as a Volksdeutscher in Rumanien. After a search, I found the adress and phone number of the son of the Waffen-SS veteran. The Waffen-SS veteran died a couple of years ago.

From the NARA, I obtained more information. From June 1941, he was a member of the Totenkopf Infanterie Ersatz Battalion 3. What happened after June 1941, I can only guess. Because I will sell this item, I hope the future owner will complete the puzzle of Robert Kalitzki and his military career.

here are the pics:



regards,
T

[collectorGD]

From NARA:

[collectorGD]

from NARA

[collectorGD]

info obtained from Wast (1985):

[Frontalschaden]

Hello

Good, original dogtag and a well done search investigation !


Best regards, Fronti

[collectorGD]

Thanks Fronti for your comment.

It would be twice as nice if we had a picture of the Waffen-SS veteran...

warmest regards,
Tom

[christof]

I agree, nice tag and great recherche about the tag, well done !

[Gaspare]

We need a clarification here.. This tag shown is supposed to be from the SS Totenkopf infantry replacement battalion 3 yes??

Then please read/ check this topic:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=448737

* Also reference Hoidal Vol 1 page 78 bottom right.

As in topic above.. I have the same type tag in Hoidals,,mine is roll number 13XX,,,Hoidals is roll number 6666, and the other members tag from topic is 7283 ...
SO, how does this tag shown here with unit stamped Batl is good when the 3 I mention are Btl.??

[collectorGD]

Maybe ... because 75% of Waffen-SS dogtags that are in collections all over the world, are fakes

[christof]

My half tag from 3./SS-T.I.E. Batl. II was with Batl to... In the Hoidals book, tag with number 6666 is for me good aslo ! IMO the both solution are possible.

[Gaspare]

christof,,, These are from Btl. III, not the II so there could be differences..

The main /biggest problem is:
Tags from the III are well known. Including my tag [13XX], Andys[Hermsdorf] [7283] and the example in Hoidals [6666] they all have the same exact nomenclature,,the tag on this topic [3137] falls within the roll numbers of our tags and should be stamped Btl.

[Lee Luke]

Hi

I have one also that is Btl. III , number 1349

The blood group is b, which has been stamped in the field I think, with a hole punch.

[collectorGD]

When I'm looking to the papers from the Wast, there is something strange.

Wast speaks about "btl 3" and not "batl 3". In 1985, the previous owner wrote a letter with the inscription of the dogtag. In this case he writes about "batl 3" because this was the only information he got.

In response, the Wast wrote back and don't speak about "batl 3" but about "btl 3". So we can conclude that in the archives, Kalitzki is found with dogtaginscription "btl3" and not "batl 3".

Conclusions?

Can this be a double made in the field because Kalitski lost his first dogtag?

Or is this a copy? But why would this be a copy when original T.I.Ersatz btl 3 dogtags are shown in books? When you make a copy, why such a mistake?

Maybe the son of Robert Kalitzky can help us. I think the chance is very small but maybe he has the soldbuch with dogtag in his possession? Then we are 100% sure this is a copy. Or did the son of Kalitzky sold the dogtag 35 years ago to a Belgian guy...

Does someone know this guy from this website? http://www.emarken.de/

regards,
Tom

[HouweTrouwe]

Tom, that doesn't matter. His Stamnummer stays the same, so does the unit. Whether the previous owner said Batl and WASt Btl. Only Btl is the right abbrevation for Bataillon. You'll see sometimes (wrong) abbrevations on documents or dogtags (human mistakes or other reasons) but that doesn't make them wrong or fake or so.

Trouwens Kd. Tom, mooi onderzocht.

[Gaspare]

regarding post # 9,,,,IF you are insinuating that everyone elses tags are fake and yours is good your sadly mistaken..
I initially wrote here to check/read the other topic in the SS forum.. I was right there when my tag was found.
Other tags from this unit are well known for years now and all Btl.

Anyway,,here is part of the problem:

13xx
1349
*3137*
6666
7283

Tom your tag is right there in the middle.. For me it should have the same font type stamped into the tag and the correct nomenclature of Btl. not Batl.
Also with the font type [another small problem],,,these tags also always have that real thin almost weird looking B [for Btl.] [see Andys tag on other topic]. This tag doesn't..

Well if you like the tag great,,,guess that's all that matters. That's what happened to this specific part of the hobby, unless there is something glaringly wrong they all become good eventually!