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    Question about WP Kreigsmarine/Heer

    Hello

    Wehrpass to a man who served in the Kreigsmarine then transfered to the 26 Pz Div. My question is why did a Heer Lt. sign his KM service/award and Heer award? Also no service is recorded for the KM just Heer service in Italy?
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                  No opinions? Anyone?

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                    Hi Lee
                    Navy Wehrpaßen are marked up a different way from Heer and Luftwaffe, they are divided into land and sea service. yours lists his flak service with M F A 236 which was a land based unit in the Deutsche Bucht at Emden so no sea service entries would be made.
                    His Marine flak badge was ordered 20.5.42 but issue may not have been made for several months, by that time he was with a Heer unit.
                    His training with the army starting 21.11.42 and active service from 25.1.43 so it would have been awarded by an Army officer of his new unit.
                    Hope this helps
                    Soldbuch

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                      Thank you so much for the reply!

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                        Originally posted by soldbuch View Post
                        His Marine flak badge was ordered 20.5.42 but issue may not have been made for several months, by that time he was with a Heer unit.
                        Just a slight mistake.......his Marine Flak Badge was awarded on 20.5.42...verliehen - lent or to be awarded

                        /Ian
                        Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                        Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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                          Wehrpass Flak

                          Originally posted by soldbuch View Post
                          Hi Lee
                          Navy Wehrpaßen are marked up a different way from Heer and Luftwaffe, they are divided into land and sea service. yours lists his flak service with M F A 236 which was a land based unit in the Deutsche Bucht at Emden so no sea service entries would be made.
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                          Soldbuch
                          Very, very nice and very seldom Wehrpass! Hard to find one with the Navy Flak Badge and the Army Flak Badge! Great!

                          Although the Soldier served with an "immobile" Navy-Flak Unit at the coast of the Nordsee, the soldiers in the office of his battery where very lazy. They did not entry his combat ("34 Tage unter Feindbeschuss" for example) and they did not entry his Navy Flak Badge.
                          I think this is a typical "human factor" problem and his Army unit certificated the Navy award.
                          As You can see the combat entry ends on May 1944, but he the soldier was in service until the end of April 1945. Another example for blowzy work in the Wehrmacht? Maybe, but: The official names for all the combats a division fought was defined weeks or months after the fightings. So maybe the self-propelled Heeres-Flak-Artillerie-Abteilung 304 (subordinated to 26. Panzer-Division from 27. Sept 1943 on) and the Panzer-Artillerie-Regiment 93 (26. Panzer-Division) had no chance to fill in the combat entries until the end of the war...
                          All in all a very nice Wehrpass!

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                            Was the Marine flak badge the standard flak badge? Or did the coastal artillery badge double up as marine flak badge as well?

                            Thanks
                            Jonathan

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                              Jonathon,

                              The Coastal Artillery was the Flak Badge, like the Luftwaffe and Heer versions they could be awarded for ground, air or even sea targets!

                              /Ian
                              Photos/images copyright © Ian Jewison collection

                              Collecting interests: Cavalry units, 1 Kavallerie/24 Panzer Division, Stukageschwader 1

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