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Hello Guys

i am not realy sure with this WP. And like asking to yours opinion.

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[Hank C.]

Truthfully, it looks good to me. Different stamps and signatures throughout, and the writing looks smooth and natural. All good indications. Perhaps somebody with more info on the unit(s) involved can give you a better answer as to everything fitting together.

best
Hank

EDIT: Pix of the first couple of pages with the soldier's personal details would be helpful also.

[Jonathan M]

Battle and unit entries correspond to those of GJR 91, 4th Gebirgsjager Divsion.

[Ian Jewison]

Looks good and one worth having with the Silver CCC!

/Ian

[dennisb]

First of all I am not saying whether this Wehrpass is good or not, but I have a few questions:


I know that it was sometimes usual that some awards where added later in the Wehrpass, but between 'Die Nahkampfspange I.Stufe' and 'Die Nahkampfspange II.Stufe' are actually 18 days.

For the II. Stufe where 15 days of combat action needed.

When I read on LDW:

"Ende April 1944 kam es zu heftigen Kämpfen in der Gegend von Grigoriopol. Am 14. Mai 1944 setzte hier ein schwerer russischer Angriff ein. Nur mit Mühe konnte ein russischer Durchbruch verhindert werden. Bis zum Juli blieb es dann relativ ruhig. Ende Juli wurde das Regiment in die Karpaten verlegt."

So how is it possible that he received the II. Stufe while in that period it was relative peacefull?

Why the 'Leutnant und Kompanieführer did not sign (as evidence and which was usual) the entries for both Nahkampfspanges?


Another question:

He got wounded in oktober 1941 and in july 1942.
That means two wounds, so he would receive the Verwundetenabzeichen in Schwarz and the Verwundetenabzeichen in Silber. He received the Verwundetenabzeichen in Schwarz in November 1941. He received the Verwundetenabzeichen in Silber in the end of 1943, which I can understand because after he got wounded in 1942 he directly got changed to a 'Genesenden kompanie'.
BUT: why he received the Verwundetenabzeichen in Gold??

The qualification needed for the Verwundetenabzeichen in Gold where:

- ...in Gold für mehr als viermalige Verwundungen oder Beschädigungen.

or:

Das Verwundetenabzeichen in Gold konnte unabhängig von der Anzahl der Verwundungen (oder Beschädigungen) werden bei:

- den Verlust beider Hände oder Beine
- dem Verlust einer Hand oder Fuß an drei oder mehr Gliedmaßen
- dem Verlust eines Beines und einer Hand
- dem Verlust oder vollständige Erblindung beider Augen (Fingerzählen nicht mehr möglich)
- Hinr- / Rückenmarkverletzungen mit schwersten Funktionsstörunge

Source: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Orden/vwa.html

As far as I can conclude: he only got wounded twice, and he did not get badly wounded since he got changed back to the 'Feldtruppenteil' after both wounds.

Since the Germans entered almost everything in the Wehrpass, it is nearly impossible that they would 'forgot' to write 3 wounds in the Wehrpass.


I Hope someone can clear these things up for me.

[Hank C.]

...edit...
I Hope someone can clear these things up for me.

WHile I can't clear up ALL the questions, I think one very reasonable explanation for the "missing" wound entries and the "close together" Nahkampfspangen entries is that the Wehrpass was kept back at the unit level. Oftentimes, it would be a good amount of time between actions, updates, and awards. Clerks behind the lines would be tasked to complete a Wehrpass to send back to families when a soldier fell, and sometimes they could only do their best to make it "close enough for government work". This appears it may be the case here, as the NKS I & II are both in the same hand, as well as the "gefallen" entry.

For the Wound badge in Gold, if he was wounded in the field, minor wounds, he would only have to reach the "5 Wounds" level to have it awarded. Even if they were relatively minor. A soldbuch or some award docs would of course help here, but apparently they're not available...

Hope that helps just a little bit,
Hank

[dennisb]

WHile I can't clear up ALL the questions, I think one very reasonable explanation for the "missing" wound entries and the "close together" Nahkampfspangen entries is that the Wehrpass was kept back at the unit level. Oftentimes, it would be a good amount of time between actions, updates, and awards. Clerks behind the lines would be tasked to complete a Wehrpass to send back to families when a soldier fell, and sometimes they could only do their best to make it "close enough for government work". This appears it may be the case here, as the NKS I & II are both in the same hand, as well as the "gefallen" entry.

For the Wound badge in Gold, if he was wounded in the field, minor wounds, he would only have to reach the "5 Wounds" level to have it awarded. Even if they were relatively minor. A soldbuch or some award docs would of course help here, but apparently they're not available...

Hope that helps just a little bit,
Hank

Thanks, as I thought, because of time.

[Hank C.]

Where'd the pictures go????!!!!!

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I dont now what is with the pic´s. She are loosed in the system ??
I will post the pic´s new, when i am back at home.