panzerzug id's were are they?

[Daniele C]

Hi Hucks,

The problem is not on the stamps on the pages of the soldbuch which look correct.
The problem is the cover and its photo that looks replaced and shows a man that is not the guy that owned the soldbuch.

[hucks216]

So, do you think it is a period soldbuch cover with period photo & stamps on a SB that lost it's cover? I ask because the stamp on the photo is also the stamp used for the awards.
Of the FpNr's 04779 does belong to an eisenbahn unit (Feldeisenbahn-Betriebs-Abt 5) while of the other options (x4700/x4709) one does belong to a Landschutzen unit I believe, so if it is a period cover/photo/stamp then it is arguably on the correct SB as the photo stamp was also used inside the SB.
Or do you thing it is a post war put together cover/photo/stamp?

[Daniele C]

i might be wrong but it looks like

a Soldbuch that was found without cover and then somebody added a cover where he s put a picture and stamped the picture(no signature on the soldbuch or on the cover).Then Added a fake EK2+PAB in Bronze award with the same stamp.

Daniele

[hucks216]

i might be wrong but it looks like

a Soldbuch that was found without cover and then somebody added a cover where he s put a picture and stamped the picture(no signature on the soldbuch or on the cover).Then Added a fake EK2+PAB in Bronze award with the same stamp.

Daniele

I'd agree with that, certainly regarding the award entries, but still happy to have a Panzerzug soldbuch.
I need to have a good look through the FpNr listings because if the cover is a postwar put together it would be abit of a fluke to find a photo of a soldier whose epaulette strap numbers matched the unit's FpNr number on the stamp he had.

[Daniele C]

Hucks,

When you got the soldbuch did you not notice about the signs of the rivets on page 1 and that the photo on the cover didnt Have rivets?Did you see that also the signs of the stamps on page 1 are on the opposite side than the stamps on the cover that is there now?

[hucks216]

I have to be honest and say I missed those pointers as in this case I was more interested in the unit listed in the soldbuch rather than the photo.

[Jochen1000]

Sb

The cover has been replaced but these things happened during the war - so that is not necessarily a problem.

But I think Daniele is exactly right.
In this case I believe that the cover was replaced postwar. The reason: this guy was a "Hilfsdreher" meaning "auxiliary lathe operator" which was
probably an important job for the war-industry, and he was rather old. So I believe it is unlikely that he was in the army before he joined the
training units mentioned in this book. But then, why should he wear a uniform with such a number on his boards?

My conclusion: it was a good book without cover where someone added a separate cover and a separate photo postwar and used the same stamp for
the pictures and the awards (which were also added postwar). Unless of course someone finds out more about this feldpostnumber.

[Panzer Rob]

Hello,

Beautiful document Jochen

Here is an image of a Soldbuch of a man incorporated into the Panzerzug 7 then 22.

For Mr Dogtag, Al, erkennungsmarke : 6./Lw IR 162 / 186

Cordial greetings.

Nice Soldbuch, Polux..... But then I'd expect nothing less from you my friend

And I agree with Daniele, the cover on the Pz.Zug 201 Soldbuch looks like a post-war replacement done to deceive

Rob

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A fairly recent addition to my collection - a soldbuch to a member of Panzerzug 64. This particular soldier was wounded in the early days of WW2 as can be seen by the date on the paperwork on the final pic and also his entry to a Kriegslazarett while with an artillery unit. I have this soldiers PoW papers & postwar Kennkarte.
Panzerzug 64 participated in Unternehmen Margarethe in March 1944 as part of XXII Gebirgs-Armee-Korps.

As an aside, there is a new book due to be released in April that looks like being the last word on these units (fingers crossed)...
http://www.worldwartwobooks.com/prod...ains-1904-1945

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