I recently won a Soldbuch for a soldier who served with the Panzer-Lehr Division on the auction website 321 militaria. I was pretty happy about getting this Soldbuch, especially because I was looking for a Soldbuch from this division for some time. The Soldbuch included the soldier's award document for the Black Wound Badge, which he received on 24 July 1944 during the fighting at Normandie.
I received the Soldbuch a few days ago from the seller
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and after reviewing the awards page, I was very dispapointed to see that the entries for the E.K. II and E.K. I had been added by a forger, not even a good one. I wrote to --- and told him about my disappointment and asked him for a full or partial refund. As I feared, --- defended the forged entries. Here are his words:
ich habe in der Artikelbeschreibung die EKI/II Eintragungen nicht erwähnt. Soldbuch, Urkunde und weitere Papiere sind 100% original, DAS garantiere ich. (I did not mention the EK I/II entries in the item description)
Da ich die Sachen so von privat bekommen habe, können die EK-Eintragungen, falls tatsächlich falsch, definitiv nur vom Soldbuch-Inhaber gemacht worden sein. (Since I acquired the items directly from the person, without a doubt, no one other than the Soldbuch owner could have added the entries, if in fact they are fake).
Da sich die Sachen jahrelang in meiner Sammlung befanden, weiß ich definitiv, das KEINER ,außer eventuell der Inhaber, nachträglich Eintragungen in dem Soldbuch gemacht haben kann. (Since the items have been in my collection for many years, I know for sure that NO ONE other than the original bearer could have added the entries to the Soldbuch.
Außerdem habe ich in der Artikelbeschreibung angeboten, sämtliche Käuferfragen zu beantworten, was ich auch getan habe. (Besides this, in the item description, I offered to answer any questions, which I also did).
--- went on in another e-mail:
Ich habe die Sachen über 10 Jahre lang in meinem Besitz gehabt, und außer dem Inhaber kann NIEMAND die EK-Eintragungen manipuliert haben. (I have had these items in my possession for more than ten years and besides the original bearer[the soldier], NO ONE could have manipulated the Iron Cross entries).
Here is the items description for the Soldbuch as it appeared on 321militaria:
Biete hier ein Soldbuch und Besitzzeugnis zum Verwundetenabzeichen in Schwarz. Der Soldat war Angehöriger der 2./Pz.Gren.Lehr Regt. 901 und wurde am 24. Juli 1944 verwundet. Das Soldbuch ist vollständig, es befinden sich noch div.Merkblätter (Malaria, Ruhr, Kampfstoffeinwirkung) darin. Nicht entnazifiziert ! Außerdem noch ein Heimkehrerpaß (wurde am 23.3.47 aus französischer Gefangenschaft entlassen). Bei Fragen bitte mailen!
As everyone can see, --- did not mention the E.K. entries. I asked him why he didn't mention them and he failed to give me an answer. So I'll ask everyone on the forum, why do you think --- did not mention these entries? You will see that the entry for the Black Wound Badge is legitimate and was signed by the head doctor of Kriegslazarett 4/612. As you can see, the E.K. II entry was written right below the entry - so five days after being hospitalized, the soldier is out earning an E.K. II. Then, on 5 March 1945, using the same mighty pen from August 1944, the award for the E.K. I was made. And this clerk - or Soldbuch bearer as --- states - has no unit stamp, writes in "In Ermanglung eines Dienststempels" (In lack of a unit stamp), misspelling Ermangelung and writing a really funky "p" in the word Dienststempels. And then we have the certifying signature. I would expect the person to be at least a Leutnant, but we have an Oberfeldwebel, a company leader named Naennig, who uses a writing style that hardly looks wartime and forced. All of these entries have no flow to them, a sure sign of a forger.
These entries were obviously made to enhance the value of the Soldbuch, which actually had the opposite effect. Now if you listen to ---, if the soldier himself added the E.K. entries, then he also forged his company commander's signature.
I'd be curious to see if anyone comes to ---'s defense or can defend the entries. So what do you think gang, should I leave --- negative feedback on 321militaria?
It's just frustrating to me when someone takes a perfectly good Soldbuch, adds entries to it (I'm not saying that --- did, but someone certainly did) and then a seller doesn't mention the fake entries and when confronted, defends them.
Barry
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I received the Soldbuch a few days ago from the seller
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and after reviewing the awards page, I was very dispapointed to see that the entries for the E.K. II and E.K. I had been added by a forger, not even a good one. I wrote to --- and told him about my disappointment and asked him for a full or partial refund. As I feared, --- defended the forged entries. Here are his words:
ich habe in der Artikelbeschreibung die EKI/II Eintragungen nicht erwähnt. Soldbuch, Urkunde und weitere Papiere sind 100% original, DAS garantiere ich. (I did not mention the EK I/II entries in the item description)
Da ich die Sachen so von privat bekommen habe, können die EK-Eintragungen, falls tatsächlich falsch, definitiv nur vom Soldbuch-Inhaber gemacht worden sein. (Since I acquired the items directly from the person, without a doubt, no one other than the Soldbuch owner could have added the entries, if in fact they are fake).
Da sich die Sachen jahrelang in meiner Sammlung befanden, weiß ich definitiv, das KEINER ,außer eventuell der Inhaber, nachträglich Eintragungen in dem Soldbuch gemacht haben kann. (Since the items have been in my collection for many years, I know for sure that NO ONE other than the original bearer could have added the entries to the Soldbuch.
Außerdem habe ich in der Artikelbeschreibung angeboten, sämtliche Käuferfragen zu beantworten, was ich auch getan habe. (Besides this, in the item description, I offered to answer any questions, which I also did).
--- went on in another e-mail:
Ich habe die Sachen über 10 Jahre lang in meinem Besitz gehabt, und außer dem Inhaber kann NIEMAND die EK-Eintragungen manipuliert haben. (I have had these items in my possession for more than ten years and besides the original bearer[the soldier], NO ONE could have manipulated the Iron Cross entries).
Here is the items description for the Soldbuch as it appeared on 321militaria:
Biete hier ein Soldbuch und Besitzzeugnis zum Verwundetenabzeichen in Schwarz. Der Soldat war Angehöriger der 2./Pz.Gren.Lehr Regt. 901 und wurde am 24. Juli 1944 verwundet. Das Soldbuch ist vollständig, es befinden sich noch div.Merkblätter (Malaria, Ruhr, Kampfstoffeinwirkung) darin. Nicht entnazifiziert ! Außerdem noch ein Heimkehrerpaß (wurde am 23.3.47 aus französischer Gefangenschaft entlassen). Bei Fragen bitte mailen!
As everyone can see, --- did not mention the E.K. entries. I asked him why he didn't mention them and he failed to give me an answer. So I'll ask everyone on the forum, why do you think --- did not mention these entries? You will see that the entry for the Black Wound Badge is legitimate and was signed by the head doctor of Kriegslazarett 4/612. As you can see, the E.K. II entry was written right below the entry - so five days after being hospitalized, the soldier is out earning an E.K. II. Then, on 5 March 1945, using the same mighty pen from August 1944, the award for the E.K. I was made. And this clerk - or Soldbuch bearer as --- states - has no unit stamp, writes in "In Ermanglung eines Dienststempels" (In lack of a unit stamp), misspelling Ermangelung and writing a really funky "p" in the word Dienststempels. And then we have the certifying signature. I would expect the person to be at least a Leutnant, but we have an Oberfeldwebel, a company leader named Naennig, who uses a writing style that hardly looks wartime and forced. All of these entries have no flow to them, a sure sign of a forger.
These entries were obviously made to enhance the value of the Soldbuch, which actually had the opposite effect. Now if you listen to ---, if the soldier himself added the E.K. entries, then he also forged his company commander's signature.
I'd be curious to see if anyone comes to ---'s defense or can defend the entries. So what do you think gang, should I leave --- negative feedback on 321militaria?
It's just frustrating to me when someone takes a perfectly good Soldbuch, adds entries to it (I'm not saying that --- did, but someone certainly did) and then a seller doesn't mention the fake entries and when confronted, defends them.
Barry
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