Fake or real ?? wehrpass + urkunde bandenkampfabzeichen

[beerlover]

Hi guy's I need your help please.

I can purchase a wehrpass and a Urkunde of a holder of the bandenkampfabzeichen.
Please check out the pictures I've just attached and let me know what you think about it.
If it is real it is superb but if it is fake it will be a waste of money.
If it is real what would be the value ??

Thanks for your time

[beerlover]

picture-2

[beerlover]

picture-3

[beerlover]

and the last one I've got

[Larry deZeng]

Looks good as gold to me. The unit and activity all check out.

--Larry

[Daniele C]

I like all the entrys in the WP

[beerlover]

First of all thanks for the two replies but is there nobody else who can
give me more info about this wehrpass and urkunde.
I would like to purchase it but but I need to be sure if this one is 100% original.

Please help me out .

[besslein]

look very good to me
how much you have to pay?

[peter u]

Imo it is an original example.

P

[beerlover]

First of all thanks for the replies. Second.... thanks to some good forum members and experts....it turned out to be a FAKE.
At the beginning I also thought is was an original one. But now I am convinced that it is a fake.
What I mean the wehrpass as such might be correct but they pimped it up by
adding the bandenkampf stamp.

Another thing ,If you earn a bandenkampf abzeichen you must be a brave soldier ,or not ?? Then you should have at least also the KVK and the EK 2nd class and maybe also the EK 1st class. This guy had just the 1938 medal.
Very strange.

Thanks to friends and good forum members I saved my self a lot of money and trouble. And this is what this forum is about ,HELPING EACH OTHER.

[polux]

Hello,

I am sorry to have to sow the confusion among this concert of praises but I allow myself to inform you of my doubts for the registration of the badge of the Bandenkampf in the Wehrpass presented by Beerlover.

Since little while, a member of this forum made me very exactly noticed the presence of this type of stamp on several documents released on internet. I find surprising to find the same stamp on various documents attributed to varied units and present on several geographic sectors. To illustrate my comment, you will find enclosed an image of a Soldbuch Polizei sent by a member of this forum. You will notice (except the presence of the unit) the perfect resemblance between this stamp and that of the Wehrpass presented by Beerlover.

We know all the efficiency of the German bureaucracy of this time but until now I have still never noticed the presence of identical stamp distributed in various units spread in all Europe only for the registration of a decoration ! A little of ink and a stamp were enough to confirm a decoration.

I take advantage of this message to ask to the members of this forum for the meaning RTB 213.

Considering that precedes, I have a doubt on the authenticity of the registration of the Wehrpass presented by Beerlover. Is it about a simple addition ? Because this doubt, when is it of the diploma ?

I do not try to sow the confusion but only to give my opinion because the purchase of a group of this kind is an important purchase for a collector.

I am for the listening your remarks, this with the aim of helping Beerlover and to enrich our knowledge.

Cordial greetings.

Polux

[polux]

Good evening Beerlover,

Happy of your last message and saddened of my late answer. The time to translate my text, I did not see your message.

Can you indicate the reasons which brought you to the conclusion that was it a question of one imitation ?

Are you in ownership of increases of the diploma ? It is always interesting to examine a good copy.

Cordial greetings.

Polux

[Larry deZeng]

Beerlover wrote:

Another thing ,If you earn a bandenkampf abzeichen you must be a brave soldier ,or not ?? Then you should have at least also the KVK and the EK 2nd class and maybe also the EK 1st class. This guy had just the 1938 medal.

There was no correlation between bravery and participation in an anti-partisan operation. I have read the detailed reports on hundreds of them in the microfilmed German records, and in 90% or more of the cases the partisans avoided contact with the Axis forces by slipping through their lines as they attempted to surround the area. There are now many, many books on partisan warfare in Russia and the Balkans, so you would have no trouble finding lots of information on the subject. Instead of "bravery", it consisted mostly of "cleansing", i.e., taking villages that had been providing food and shelter to the partisans and shooting every last one of the villagers, irrespective of gender or age. I researched and wrote an account of the c.140 largest anti-partisan operations carried out in Croatia, Bosnia, Hercegovina and Dalmatia. They are all posted on Marcus Wendel's Axis History Factbook web site. If you are interest, ask and I'll give you the URL.

--Larry

[JUNGCO]

Polux.
RTB means Regiment Tagesbefehl or "orders of the day." You will also see that used in lists of Nahkampf Tagen.
Jeff

[beerlover]

Hi guy's

I used the word "brave". That might not be the right word but keep in mind that I am not grew up with the English languages so sometimes "foreigners"
are using wrong words.

Thanks again for all the remarks and warnings.
Now I am going to grap a beer to celebrate that you have saved me money and trouble

cheers
Beerlover