Panzer-Abt 202 / antipartisan br + silver

[ChrisH]

hello,

i sell this APB group from family .........................
value ???


regards Chris

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[ChrisH]

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[Simon O.]

Wow, now that's a rare grouping!

[JUNGCO]

WOW I can't put a price on it...I want it!
Jeff

[Hank C.]

Beautiful group. As others have said, hard to put a price on that...

best
Hank

[Panzer Rob]

Great Soldbuch and grouping! I see some very nice documents in there

Here's a little from lexicon.de on Pz.Abt.202

Panzer-Abteilung 202
Feldpostnummer:
Stab 41153
1. Kompanie 42330
2. Kompanie 43178
3. Kompanie 43991
Werkstatt-Zug 48854
Kolonne 00735

Die Abteilung wurde am 2. Januar 1943 in Bosnien aufgestellt. Die Abteilung wurde mit 3 Kompanien aus der bereits seit 18. September 1941 selbständigen I. Abteilung vom Panzer-Regiment 202 als Heerestruppe aufgestellt. Sie unterstand dem Befehlshaber der deutschen Truppen in Kroatien. Zuletzt wurde die Abteilung beim LXIX. Armeekorps im Raum Cilli eingesetzt.

Für die Ersatzgestellung war die Panzer-Ersatz-Abteilung 100 zuständig.

[Larry deZeng]

Here is some additional historical information compiled from my notes taken during nearly 20 years of research on the war in Yugoslavia using primary and secondary source material in German, Serbo-Croatian, Italian and English:

I./Panzer-Rgt.202 (from 2 January 1943: Panzer-Abt.202)

1941: Arrived in Belgrade from France on 17 September equipped with 18 Somua S-35 (4.7cm) and 41 Hotchkiss H-38 and H-39 (3.7cm) French light tanks. Organizationally, the battalion had a HQ company and tank companies 1 - 3, with a table of equipment calling for 14 Somua and 41 Hotchkiss tanks. To the end of 1941, I./202 operated primarily in Serbia in support of the 342d Inf.Div.

1942: During January the battalion was engaged in Operation “Süd Kroatien”, along the Drina River between Zvornik and Visegrad. On 7 February it was attached to the 714th Inf.Div., with HQ in Va1jevo on 28 March and Sabac on 31 May. At this time I./202 had an average strength of 766 officers and men. In June it moved to Bosnia with the 714th Inf.Div. for Operation '”Westbosnien'” with headquarters, under the command of Oberst1eutnant von Geyso, located in Slavonski Brod on 20 July. From here the battalion moved to Banja Luka in August and then a few weeks later to Kostajnica, where it remained until the end of January 1943. The battalion’s 3d company, meanwhile, was detached in the Sarajevo area in support of the 718th Inf.Div.

1943: Re-designated Panzer-Abtei1ung 202 on 2 January, the battalion participated in Operation “Weiss” beginning on the 20th in support of 717th Inf.Div driving southeast through Sanski Most toward Sarajevo, where it was located in mid-April in support of the 369th Inf.Div. Operation “Weiss” was followed by Operation “Schwarz” in June, and on conclusion of the latter 202 transferred back to the Banja Luka area. From 26 August the battalion was attached to the XVth Mountain Corps and operated throughout Bosnia, but usually in the Bosanski Novi – Prijedor - Banja Luka area.

1944: The battalion remained in support of the XVth Mountain Corps during the first half of 1944. On 12 April it reported its Stab, 1.u.3.Kp./202 in Srb (on road between Bihac and Knin) operating with 373. Inf.Div., 2./202 was in Kostajnica re-equipping with Italian tanks. As of 10 April 44 its equipment status was said to consist of: 1e.Stabs-Zug (with 6 Italian tanks), 1.Kp.(to be re-equipped with 13 Italian tanks), 2.Kp.(re-equipping with 13 Italian tanks), 3.Kp.(with 10 French Somua tanks). All of the Abteilung’s French Hotchkiss tanks had been returned to Paris for major factory-level overhaul because they had an average 9,000 km on the odometer). The Abteilung Kommandeur at this time was a Major named Than, or T.Han, or Lau (poor legibility in the original document). Beginning on 25 May, it was used in Operation “Rösse1sprung”, the unsuccessful German effort to capture Tito and his staff at Drvar. At the end of August 1944, 202 had its HQ at Knin and was in support of operations being conducted by the 373d Inf.Div. In September the German front in the Balkans began to collapse and the Abteilung was moved south to help block Russian forces advancing from Romania and Bu1garia. With HQ in Brcko on 18 November, 202 was transferred to the Visegrad area in December, attached to the 181st Inf.Div., and used in defense of the Drina River line from Visegrad north toward Zvornik and Bije1jina.

1945: At the end of February, Panzer-Abt. 202 was transferred from the Visegrad area to around Osijek where it fought under the LXXXXI. Armee-Korps. During April it carried out a fighting withdrawal along the Drava Valley as part of Kampfgruppe Fischer, eventually coming under the LXIX. Armee-Korps. The battalion was captured by Yugoslav forces in the Ce1je area (Slovenia) on 10 May.

Sources:
NARA WashDC: RG 242 microfilmed German military records in T-311, 312, 313, 314, 315 and 501.
German published works (Schmidt-Richberg, Karl Hlinka, etc.).
Yugoslav published works:
Colić, Mladenko. Pregled Operacija na Jugoslovenskom Ratištu 1941-1945. Belgrade: Vojnoistorijski Institut, 1988.
Strugar, Vlado. Jugoslavija 1941-1945. Belgrade: Vojnoizdavački Zavod, 1969.
[Vojnoistorijski institute]. Hronologija oslobodilačke borbe naroda jugoslavije 1941-1945. Belgrade, 1964.
[Vojnoistorijski institute]. Oslobodilački rat naroda Juooslavije 1941-1945. 2 Vols. Belgrade: 1965.
etc.

--BHS1956

[helmutderpa]

Wow

WOW I can't put a price on it...I want it!
Jeff

I feel exactly the same.

Very well detailed informations given by BHS1956.

It is good to have so much help given by other members.

[ChrisH]

thank you for this great and very good informatons .........
now a few pics from his photo-album
regards Chris

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[Panzer Rob]

Thanks for sharing this info with us. This is what I love about these forums, collectors sharing their hard work and research with one another for the benefit of the hobby.

Rob

Here is some additional historical information compiled from my notes taken during nearly 20 years of research on the war in Yugoslavia using primary and secondary source material in German, Serbo-Croatian, Italian and English:

I./Panzer-Rgt.202 (from 2 January 1943: Panzer-Abt.202)

1941: Arrived in Belgrade from France on 17 September equipped with 18 Somua S-35 (4.7cm) and 41 Hotchkiss H-38 and H-39 (3.7cm) French light tanks. Organizationally, the battalion had a HQ company and tank companies 1 - 3, with a table of equipment calling for 14 Somua and 41 Hotchkiss tanks. To the end of 1941, I./202 operated primarily in Serbia in support of the 342d Inf.Div.

1942: During January the battalion was engaged in Operation “Süd Kroatien”, along the Drina River between Zvornik and Visegrad. On 7 February it was attached to the 714th Inf.Div., with HQ in Va1jevo on 28 March and Sabac on 31 May. At this time I./202 had an average strength of 766 officers and men. In June it moved to Bosnia with the 714th Inf.Div. for Operation '”Westbosnien'” with headquarters, under the command of Oberst1eutnant von Geyso, located in Slavonski Brod on 20 July. From here the battalion moved to Banja Luka in August and then a few weeks later to Kostajnica, where it remained until the end of January 1943. The battalion’s 3d company, meanwhile, was detached in the Sarajevo area in support of the 718th Inf.Div.

1943: Re-designated Panzer-Abtei1ung 202 on 2 January, the battalion participated in Operation “Weiss” beginning on the 20th in support of 717th Inf.Div driving southeast through Sanski Most toward Sarajevo, where it was located in mid-April in support of the 369th Inf.Div. Operation “Weiss” was followed by Operation “Schwarz” in June, and on conclusion of the latter 202 transferred back to the Banja Luka area. From 26 August the battalion was attached to the XVth Mountain Corps and operated throughout Bosnia, but usually in the Bosanski Novi – Prijedor - Banja Luka area.

1944: The battalion remained in support of the XVth Mountain Corps during the first half of 1944. On 12 April it reported its Stab, 1.u.3.Kp./202 in Srb (on road between Bihac and Knin) operating with 373. Inf.Div., 2./202 was in Kostajnica re-equipping with Italian tanks. As of 10 April 44 its equipment status was said to consist of: 1e.Stabs-Zug (with 6 Italian tanks), 1.Kp.(to be re-equipped with 13 Italian tanks), 2.Kp.(re-equipping with 13 Italian tanks), 3.Kp.(with 10 French Somua tanks). All of the Abteilung’s French Hotchkiss tanks had been returned to Paris for major factory-level overhaul because they had an average 9,000 km on the odometer). The Abteilung Kommandeur at this time was a Major named Than, or T.Han, or Lau (poor legibility in the original document). Beginning on 25 May, it was used in Operation “Rösse1sprung”, the unsuccessful German effort to capture Tito and his staff at Drvar. At the end of August 1944, 202 had its HQ at Knin and was in support of operations being conducted by the 373d Inf.Div. In September the German front in the Balkans began to collapse and the Abteilung was moved south to help block Russian forces advancing from Romania and Bu1garia. With HQ in Brcko on 18 November, 202 was transferred to the Visegrad area in December, attached to the 181st Inf.Div., and used in defense of the Drina River line from Visegrad north toward Zvornik and Bije1jina.

1945: At the end of February, Panzer-Abt. 202 was transferred from the Visegrad area to around Osijek where it fought under the LXXXXI. Armee-Korps. During April it carried out a fighting withdrawal along the Drava Valley as part of Kampfgruppe Fischer, eventually coming under the LXIX. Armee-Korps. The battalion was captured by Yugoslav forces in the Ce1je area (Slovenia) on 10 May.

Sources:
NARA WashDC: RG 242 microfilmed German military records in T-311, 312, 313, 314, 315 and 501.
German published works (Schmidt-Richberg, Karl Hlinka, etc.).
Yugoslav published works:
Coli?, Mladenko. Pregled Operacija na Jugoslovenskom Ratištu 1941-1945. Belgrade: Vojnoistorijski Institut, 1988.
Strugar, Vlado. Jugoslavija 1941-1945. Belgrade: Vojnoizdava?ki Zavod, 1969.
[Vojnoistorijski institute]. Hronologija oslobodila?ke borbe naroda jugoslavije 1941-1945. Belgrade, 1964.
[Vojnoistorijski institute]. Oslobodila?ki rat naroda Juooslavije 1941-1945. 2 Vols. Belgrade: 1965.
etc.

--BHS1956

[Mogdala]

Amazing group . Are there any photos showing the antipartisan badge?

[Larry deZeng]

Lieber Chris!

Super fotos! The Eisenbahn-Transport Fotos are especially rare and interesting. I don't believe I have ever seen any quite like that for a Panzer-Verband in wartime Yugoslavia.

I gather your subject avoided Yugoslav captivity? The last photo shows him as a PoW in Austria. He was VERY fortunate he did not fall into the hands of Tito's Partisan units around Celli (Celje). We all know what happened to Waffen-SS and many of the Heeres Panzermänner who were taken prisoner by Tito's Montenegrin brigades that were responsible for rounding up the German prisoners in Steiermark, not to mention the Croatian Ustasha and Domobrans.

--BHS1956

[Simon O.]

As BHS said, an extremely lucky man to have come out of the war alive.

That photo album is the icing on the cake, we're clearly up into the thousands of euros for this.

I hope it all finds a good home and more importantly is kept together as a group. I'm sure very little survives from this unit.


Poor Obergefreiter Koch, who's well tended grave we see above, today has no known grave.
http://www.volksbund.de/graebersuche...5B639AA4B50412

[ChrisH]

thus the group of documents can estimate nobody here approximately

[peter u]

Sorry Chris, I don't help nobody on this forum with their valuations that is imo something between the seller and the buyer.
Personally I think this part of the forum should not be used for valuations.
What is the value of a collectable?...
Even more difficult here with a documentgroup, what is the value of the story behind the papers?
There are two values:
- the highst value you get from a collecter that is really intrested in the group.
- the lowest value that a dealer w'll give you so he can sell it on with a profit.

Do some research yourself: for example prices this type of groups have made at an auction or what it would cost with a dealer.

P