Translation help on SS Soldbuch

[Joseph D'Errico]

Hello Gentleman,

Still researching this most interesting soldbuch and have reached a snag. On page 22, I cannot identify the first award entry on 2-8-42 or what remarks are made , also he recieved the Gold wound badge award on 5-10-42 then the EKII on 24-8-42. Is that possible that the entries would be out of sequence, given reference to the wound badge and EKII.

Also what is the translation of SS-Entlassungsstello??

Any help would be very appriciated

Also confusing is that on page 4 , section D ; under his unit list the second entry is SS. PoI-Ers-Btl-111 Weert. Holld

I assumed that this was the SS Polizei GrenadierDiv., but that cannot be , right? Since that division was not formed until March 1945 and his awards start in Dec 6 , 1942 withthe infantry assault badge in silver


Any help?

Cordially Yours,
JD

[Ian Jewison]

Hi Joe,

2.8.1942 Ostmedaille or Russian Front Medal......

They are out of sequence because the authorisation for his EK II came some time after that of his Russian Front....in this case at least 2 months! Or it was simply never filled in in his Soldbuch!!!

SS-Entlassungsstelle is a SS Discharge Office....he was either discharged unfit for further duty or was on the permanent staff.

Without checking I would expect SS Pol.Ers.Btl. 111 to be one of the many Police units under SS affiliation that were nothing to do with the SS Polizei Division...these were independant and roamed the rear areas keeping "peace" and disposing of partisans etc.
Incidentally section "D" was current replacement unit and was not necessarily a unit that he ever belonged to! This was the responsible Ersatz unit in the homeland or home war area that provided replacements, clothing etc. for his front line unit!!!

The Polizei Division was formed in 1939 if I remember correctly, went over to SS control in 1942 and renamed SS Pz.Gren.Div. in 1943 or something like that and not March 1945....that could be however the date of one of the many unit name changes!

/Ian

[Joseph D'Errico]

Hello Ian,

thank you kindly again for bailing me out, BUT. if he were part of the Police units operating in the rears of the front dealing with keeping order then how does he qualify for the Infantry assault badge? I thought that this award for strictly a military award in the sense it was awarded to fighting troops, or is it safe to say our guy was heavyly involved in anti-partisan fighting? Was is possible then he was part of the Einsatzgruppen (Special Action Groups) was used behind the front line on the Eastern front to kill for example jews, (active) communists, partisans and people suspected of helping the partisans.

Best Regards,
Joe

[Terry K.]

Hi Joe,
Most likely, IMHO he was on the eastern front in combat, was given the IAB, severly wounded and given the gold wound badge, and while in hospital given EKII, then sent to the SS-Entlassungstelle, for dispostion and was not discharged but put into some rear area/home police unit as manpower was short.
Just my thoughts.

[Ian Jewison]

I didn't say he was in a rear guard police unit....I said that is what the replacement unit did and section D reocrds replacement units that he did not necessarily belong to....Section B records his replacement unit that he belonged whilst convalescing etc. and section C his field unit..
To date you have not shown any evidence of what unit he did belong to!!!

Obviously to qualify for the IAB he would have had to have taken part in 3 seperate assaults....resulting in the award....if he didn't quilify he wouldn't have had it awarded!!!!
For mopping up duties he could also have been awarded a KVK II m/S as he was not in action against the enemy army but most probably partisans.....

Is this the same guy who has the the Inf. Assualt or are youy talking about another book? I have taken it as you are referring to two different books as I see no Inf.Assault here!!!

/Ian

[Ian Jewison]

Joe,
Can you please show the scans of which area you are questioning as the entries will show the whole picture!!!!

What is the FP No.? Also haven't you posted this before and we discussed the units then?

Heres the original thread....http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...threadid=20672

Yes looking at it he was SS Polizei Division...does look like he was seriously wounded, maybe lost a leg and he would have been medically discharged......the unit at this time was heavily engaged in the fighting around Leningrad..........

Whats on page 12-13? This should tell us what happend to him!

Heres a link to the Division:
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/...nSS/4SSPGD.htm

/Ian

[Ian Jewison]

There appears to be one FP Nr. 12239 on page 20..this belonged to 1 Feldlazarett, Armee Sanitäts Abteilung 572.....this should correspond with the field hospital on page 12 if it has been filled in!!

Whats the other under the Inf.Ass. Badge? FP No. 38793 was a female signals unit and does not fit in.......so it can't be a 3 at the beginning!

[Ian Jewison]

Here's a thread dealing with anti partisan entries and a Soldbuch that I have.....he was awarded the IAB for his assault days. CCC i.Br. for close combat days and anti partisan badge for the obvious!
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...threadid=18146
He had to qualify for each to get the award.......this is a typical Polizei Schützen Regiment involved with unsavoury duties.....much like the possible entry in your Soldbuch under section D......

/In

[Ian Jewison]

Joe,

Got it.......not your fault but a mistake....the unit you are looking for is not SS. PoI-Ers-Btl-111 which is the 111'th SS Police Replacement Battalion but SS. Pol-Ers-Btl-III which is the 3rd SS Police Replacement Battalion....

Seeing what you put looked like a SS Pol.Schtzn unt....however:

SS Polizei Ers.Btl. III was formed 15.10.1942 from the already existing Ers.Btl.Pol.Schützen Rgt. 3 (formed 1.10.1939)originally in Königshütte, Wehrkreis VIII and transferred to Weert then Laaren near Hilversum in the Netherlands from April 1941. 10.10.1042 it transferred to Debica and was disbanded.
The new setting up from 15.10.1942 was strictly used for the Polizei Division.

Prior to 15.10.1942 these units were still part of the Ordnungspolizei ....then they became part of the SS.....even their ranks were the traditional Army rank until that date also!
However with that said he was part of the Polizei Division and not an independant SS Polizei unit involved with anti partisan duties......the Division I am sure did take part in these activities though!?!?!?

/Ian

[Joseph D'Errico]

Hello Ian,

Here are some pics of pages 12 -13 as well as page 4 . I hope that these will help fill the gaps. This is also the Soldbuch discussed in the earlier thread. I dunno why this piece is so complicated. The problem that I am having is putting togeather the pieces of the SS Polize Div. I am trying to create a time line of his history as well as activities.

I have also in cluded a better pic of the feldpost number for the IAB.

Best and thank you,
Joe

[Joseph D'Errico]

More Info

[Joseph D'Errico]

Hello Ian,

Here is a pic of the number in question

Cordially your,
JD

[Ian Jewison]

Can't make it out too well but it does look like his lower leg was amputated on1.9.1942 thus explaining the gold wound badge!
Section D has a FP No. 04962 A which is Stab SS Pol.Ers.Btl.III.
The FP No. does look like 38793 however this was Nachrichten Helferinnen Einsatz Truppe 81.....maybe this was at Leningrad!?!?!?!
This piece isn't complicated but the correct unit wasn't identified initially hence why we started talking of independant police units....

/Ian

[Joseph D'Errico]

Hello Ian,

Thank you kindly for your patience and help. I think that you have helped me uncover a wonderul piece. I really enjoy these i wish i was just asgood as you at disecting them. They really are fantastic piece that really bring the history alive.

Kindful thanks,
JD