ss wehrpass info

[polux]

Kl

Hello Barry,

I was surprised by the arrival of your message. My answer to Chris is maybe a little moved now. Happy to know that you have the information that I wished. This confirms my idea. Barry, could you take advantage us of your information relative to the Regetz's career ? Beforehand thank you.

Cordial greetings.

Polux

[Stormfighter]

I'll try to do this soon. Incidentally, you mentioned the WASt. They will no longer provide information to us "collectors." I have been writing them since 1974 and last year they sent me two letters telling me that they are not in the business to assist "collectors." In one case I told them that I had a Soldbuch and they wanted me to send it to them! Also, I might mention that the WASt will never supply information on KZ personnel, at least I never had any luck getting any information from them.

Barry

[Chris Boonzaier]

I have Regetz's records from the Auschwitz Museum and his personnel file from the National Archives confirming his service and awards.

Barry

I would like to see that if possible?

[Chris Boonzaier]

I cede the point on Div commanders and the Inf Assault, as I said, have not touched WW2 in ages, ...

But the silver Wound and EK are very strange... and by association, if thesilver wound is strange, then the Inf assault with the same stamp is also unusual.

Can you post the pics of the records you have confirming these?

[Simon O.]

I think you'll find that it's the awarding authority not the signing officer noted here.

[Chris Boonzaier]

I think you'll find that it's the awarding authority not the signing officer noted here.

Sure, but EK2's awarding authority would not be the Reichsführer... and ditto for the awarding of a silver wound badge...

Something that smells fishy in a simple infantrymans Wehrpass may be shrugged off... but three fishy entries in an Auschwitz book ...smell like fish

[Simon O.]

I agree on the WB, can't see what Glücks has to do with it or what was going on for him to have been wounded and qualify (can't see it being an upgrade of the black).


As for the EKII, if the heads of the other 3 services could do it why not the RFSS?

[Chris Boonzaier]

I agree on the WB, can't see what Glücks has to do with it or what was going on for him to have been wounded and qualify (can't see it being an upgrade of the black).


As for the EKII, if the heads of the other 3 services could do it why not the RFSS?

Simply because... in this case the EK2 would have been an automatic award at more or less the same time he got the silver wound badge.... And knowing this.... would he have waited?

In that case there would be no need at all for Himmler to award him this a year later. (and Himmler awarding any EK2 is a very, very strange idea)

Silver wound and EK2 were like Cheese and a beef patty on a Mccheese.... if you dont have cheese on the cheeseburger... something is not right.

The orders say that in the homeland the Stellv. Komm. General of a Wehrkreis in whose hospitals the soldier was could make the award automatically, without even enquiring about a bravery citation. If he was at his unit, the Div commander could automatically award it without trying to find a citation or reason for the award.

[peter u]

Hello,

The wp on discusion now looks OK to me a typical SS-soldier that got wounded and spend his remaing time as a guard in a KL. I have no problem with his award citations. Look at the picture in the wp! More than enough proof for me and if Barry has the confirmation of the national archive and the Auschwitz museum even better.

What a difference with the wp we started this thread with!!!
It seems strange to me that a good orignal Wp gives more subject-matter to discusion and doubt than wp, with according to me, more severe problems with authenticity.

To all: Do you guys have an opinion on the first wp of this thread? The question asked by Gary T.

[Chris Boonzaier]

[quote=peter u;1788687]Hello,

The wp on discusion now looks OK to me a typical SS-soldier that got wounded and spend his remaing time as a guard in a KL. I have no problem with his award citations.


How so not? they are against all logic?



Look at the picture in the wp! More than enough proof for me and if Barry has the confirmation of the national archive and the Auschwitz museum even better.


We have not seen the proof, and what does the photo have to do with the awards entries?

[peter u]

Hello Chris,

For me the picture is original to this wp, the stamps on it look good to me.
So for me that is proof the ss-soldier had an EK2 award at sometime isn't it?
He is wearing ss-totenkopf collars. SS-div nord his former unit normaly doesn't wear them but as a KL-guard he would have done.
Is this enough proof that the picture is orignal to the wp? For me it is!

I also like how the alteration of his nationality is writen in the wp by the Auschwitz administration.

Ok the award entries are not the standard type we see in other wp's.
But they do not trobule me to much.

There are more pro's than con's on this wp.

My word is of course not gospel and if you don't like this wp it is ok for me, but I do find it a nice example of an original KL-Auschwitz wp and I think I do not stand alone with my view.
And if Barry wants to sell it, I don't think you will see it on the e-stand, candidats enough for it probably!

[peter u]

Look at this thread no 31.
The awards where writen in the sb 9 mai 1943.
The sb is a first issue dated 20 sep 1939.
The awards are of the early type (SA awards) he was wearing them surely before mai 1943.
How do we explain this? Fake?

[polux]

Kl

Hello to all,

The night settled down on our sweet Europe... my children lie and my sweet marries amused in front of the television. The peace glides over my desk and I take advantage of it to plunge me into the meanders of my favorite leisure : the waste papers.

By these some words, I wish only to bring little of serenity within this very interesting article. As I have already repeated it repeatedly, the purpose of this forum is the enrichment of our domain of leisure activities, which, I have to admit it, is very particular. By my answers and my comments, I do not wish to carry damage to one of you, to take position for an another one. I want only to share my knowledge, little of my collection and to take advantage of yours.

With regard to the WP Regetz, for lack of made concrete, let us remain careful. As the fact to notice Chris, the registrations for the decorations of this soldier are suspect for him. Personally, I do not see there any inconvenience. As information Chris, the Brigadeführer Richard Glücks was March, 1942 till the end of the war Chef der Amtsgruppe D (Konzentrationslager), this within the SS-WVHA. Therefore I do not see any problem that this department head attributes this decoration to his subordinate. It is not necessary to forget that we are not any more within the German army but within a very particular organization, the SS and more specially the Totenkopfverbände. With regard to the l'EK2's allocation by Himmler, I think that it is also possible. As already advisable, since the beginning of 1944, Himmler awarded diplomas of decoration of a particular model (Feld-Kommandostelle) to the members of SS and of the Police. You will find enclosed an example of the war end KVK 2. Kl. (the premature models are slightly different) attributed to a man of an unity of police in Italy.

To end and to close this chapter : if Barry has the confirmation of the registrations of this WP, that he takes advantage us of his knowledge. We shall be so fixed.

Cordial greetings.

Polux

[tazpants]

Sorry, got nothing to add but just to say interesting debate and no slanging matches. That is why this can be a great forum when knowledgeable guys put their sides across. It sounds like kissing ass from me but hey, whatever.

[Chris Boonzaier]

1) The KVK was much later, in March 44 Himmler was nowhere near being a combat commander handing out EK2s and why in gods name would a Chef der Amtsgruppe D award a silver wound badge.

2) The good thing in life is everyone can do what they want with their money... so I would spend mine elsewhere, it may indeed be a kosher KZ WP, but I really think the awards page is jazzed up.

3) Am curious to see the confirmations.