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    #76
    Soldbuch!

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      #77
      First i didn´t care, but now i really like the Soldbuch more!
      I'm collecting anything related to the towns Castricum and Bakkum during WWII.
      Also soldbucher from 116pzdiv. And 1944-1945 eastfront pockets, kampfgruppe and Oder front.
      My website: Gotrick.nl

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        #78
        Soldbuch vs. Wehrpass

        I find both soldbuchs & wehrpass very interesting, as each book has it's unique entries, but if I had to choose one, it would definitely be a soldbuch, just due to the fact that it was carried by the individual soldier in the field. The wehrpass was kept in the hands of the company clerks, but as far as being a rear-echelon document, that's not quite true. Many units lost their paperwork, such as wehrpass, due to enemy actions when a unit was captured or overrun. I have attached a doc that clearly states that this SS soldier's wehrpass was lost at Tscherkassy, most likely abandoned or captured by the Soviets during the chaos of the SS Wiking Div. retreat in 1944.

        Best regards,

        Tom
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          #79
          Originally posted by GOTZVONB View Post
          I find both soldbuchs & wehrpass very interesting, as each book has it's unique entries, but if I had to choose one, it would definitely be a soldbuch, just due to the fact that it was carried by the individual soldier in the field. The wehrpass was kept in the hands of the company clerks, but as far as being a rear-echelon document, that's not quite true. Many units lost their paperwork, such as wehrpass, due to enemy actions when a unit was captured or overrun. I have attached a doc that clearly states that this SS soldier's wehrpass was lost at Tscherkassy, most likely abandoned or captured by the Soviets during the chaos of the SS Wiking Div. retreat in 1944.

          Best regards,

          Tom
          Great document
          I'm collecting anything related to the towns Castricum and Bakkum during WWII.
          Also soldbucher from 116pzdiv. And 1944-1945 eastfront pockets, kampfgruppe and Oder front.
          My website: Gotrick.nl

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            #80
            Soldbuch

            Purely because this would of been with the holder in action and places which the Wehrpass would not of.

            That said, the Wehrpass is still very good in its own right and does contain information in addition to the Soldbuch.

            As said earlier, to have both Soldbuch and Wehrpass to the same man is the ideal solution!

            Regards Richard.
            Always looking for Luftwaffe Kampfflieger related document groups. In particular anything to Kampfgeschwader 2.

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              #81
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              Originally posted by stgeorge64 View Post
              Soldbuch

              Purely because this would of been with the holder in action and places which the Wehrpass would not of.

              That said, the Wehrpass is still very good in its own right and does contain information in addition to the Soldbuch.

              As said earlier, to have both Soldbuch and Wehrpass to the same man is the ideal solution!

              Regards Richard.
              The only exception to this being flyers and I believe U-Boot personnel. Although in terms of flyers the Flieger Ausweis were carried by aircrew and as a result frequently look with they went through the washer several times...and probably did.

              Thats probably why I like both since my collection is very flyer centric.

              Jeremy
              Last edited by JeremyJ; 03-08-2011, 06:03 PM.

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                #82
                Originally posted by GOTZVONB View Post
                I find both soldbuchs & wehrpass very interesting, as each book has it's unique entries, but if I had to choose one, it would definitely be a soldbuch, just due to the fact that it was carried by the individual soldier in the field. The wehrpass was kept in the hands of the company clerks, but as far as being a rear-echelon document, that's not quite true. Many units lost their paperwork, such as wehrpass, due to enemy actions when a unit was captured or overrun. I have attached a doc that clearly states that this SS soldier's wehrpass was lost at Tscherkassy, most likely abandoned or captured by the Soviets during the chaos of the SS Wiking Div. retreat in 1944.

                Best regards,

                Tom
                Not "abandoned or captured " as it says that the material had to be destroyed in the Tscherkassy Pocket !


                yours friendly

                Eric-Jan

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                  #83
                  Originally posted by JeremyJ View Post
                  The only exception to this being flyers and I believe U-Boot personnel. Although in terms of flyers the Flieger Ausweis were carried by aircrew and as a result frequently look with they went through the washer several times...and probably did.

                  Thats probably why I like both since my collection is very flyer centric.

                  Jeremy
                  You are right Jeremy, Flying and UBoot personnel were not allowed to take their Soldbuch with them into the air or to sea.

                  Although there are exceptions on the rules, sometimes crashed pilot's were found with their Soldbuch, and here we see an entire UBoot crew of U 195,

                  http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...%FCcher&page=2

                  yours friendly

                  Eric-Jan

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                    #84
                    Soldbuch vs wehrpass

                    Eric-Jan, thanks for correcting my comment related to the "destroyed" wehrpass at Tscherkassy. Your translation makes that document even more interesting to me, as it clearly shows the actions taken by the Wiking Div. to prevent unit docs from falling into the hands of the Soviet forces during the retreat. Thank you!!!

                    Best regards,

                    Tom

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                      #85
                      Soldbuch
                      It's usually found in worst conditions and it's harder to read than a Wehrpass, but a Soldbuch was carried all the time by the owner: also in combat.
                      The Wehrpass is less "romantic" as it was kept by the unit HQ and the soldier got it back only in case of discharge (or the relatives received it, if he was KIA

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                        #86
                        I preffer Wehrpass, probably because of my pedantic nature

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                          #87
                          Hi,

                          I prefer Wehrpass, as they are usually in far better condition than Soldbuch.
                          I have several of each, including one instance of Soldbuch and Wehrpass to a single individual.
                          The group is not very exciting, the owner never saw armed combat; but I still enjoy looking through the two together.
                          If only I had his Wehrstammbuch too......

                          Best wishes,

                          John.

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                            #88
                            My only Wehrpass and soldbuch set ,
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