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    Stabsgefreiter '44. Ya or nein?

    I had a question come up over in the Uniforms Forum about the rank of Stabsgefreiter. I did some research and found two different answers - one by Jack Angolia and the other by Davis. Below are the two different opinions:


    The following is according to Angolia:

    The patch, 2 chevrons and a pip, is for a Stabsgefreiter - period. That rank insignia was introduced in 1928 and was in effect until the end of the war. Promotion to that rank was discontinued in '34, but those holding it kept it (the rank and the insignia). Then in '42 it was re-introduced - same insignia, same title. (Technically, those promoted from '42 onward were called Strabsgefreiter neuer Art because the new Stabsgefreiter was in a different pay grade than the old Stabsgefreiter.) Two chevrons and a pip were always Stabsgefreiter and nothing else.

    This is what Davis says:

    After 1942 there was no Stabsgefreiter rank and the 2 chevrons and a pip were for an Obergefreiter with more than 6 years service, replacing the one chevron and a pip that Angolia states was used until the end of the war.


    So, who is right? I tend to side with Angolia, since I know he used period regulations in his research. Also, if he's wrong, where did the Strabsgefreiter neuer Art info come from?

    What I'm looking for is this - does anyone have a soldier's record showing a promotion to Stabsgefreiter in the period 1943-1945? If you do, that will certainly settle the question.

    (Here's a link to the original question..http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...67#post1092467 )
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    #2
    No question that the rank was in use to the end of the war
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    Collecting German award documents, other paperwork and photos relating to Norway and Finland.

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      #3
      Well, I think that answers it. Even though this isn't a post-1942 promotion to that rank, Davis' book indicates that the term also wasn't used. If he's wrong on that count, safe to assume that Angolia got it right.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Dave Suter (Sarge)
        What I'm looking for is this - does anyone have a soldier's record showing a promotion to Stabsgefreiter in the period 1943-1945? If you do, that will certainly settle the question.
        Yes, a few. The rank isn't a very common one to be fair...a sort of you're never going to reach the lofty heights of Unteroffizier (Corporal equivalent in the UK).

        The dates I have for these promotions are:

        <TABLE cellSpacing=0 bgColor=#ffffff border=1><CAPTION>PromotionEntries</CAPTION><THEAD><TR><TH borderColor=#000000 bgColor=#c0c0c0>Name</TH><TH borderColor=#000000 bgColor=#c0c0c0>DatePromoted</TH><TH borderColor=#000000 bgColor=#c0c0c0>NewRank</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#c0c0c0>willyweinreich</TD><TD borderColor=#c0c0c0 align=right>01/11/1944</TD><TD borderColor=#c0c0c0>Stabsgefreiten</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#c0c0c0>friedrichengels</TD><TD borderColor=#c0c0c0 align=right>01/11/1944</TD><TD borderColor=#c0c0c0>Stabsgefreiten</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#c0c0c0>richardmirasch</TD><TD borderColor=#c0c0c0 align=right>01/06/1943</TD><TD borderColor=#c0c0c0>Stabsgefreiten</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#c0c0c0>josefgruna</TD><TD borderColor=#c0c0c0 align=right>01/08/1944</TD><TD borderColor=#c0c0c0>Stabsgefreiten</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD borderColor=#c0c0c0>johanntloust</TD><TD borderColor=#c0c0c0 align=right>01/12/1943</TD><TD borderColor=#c0c0c0>Stabsgefreiten</TD></TR></TBODY><TFOOT></TFOOT></TABLE>

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          #5
          Thanks Gary! Simon put the lid on Davis' coffin - and you nailed it shut...

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            #6
            Thanks guys for all the input !!! thanks Dave for help !!

            chevron and pip - gefreiter with 6 years of service

            2 chevrons and pip - stabsgefreiter


            and thats all.. clear and pretty

            (good think I sold Davis book long a go - never liked too much..)

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