just arrived today fallschirmjager enginer head

[douglynn]

ah now the second part may be school maybe he was some kinda teacher,looks like oberjagerschule

[Chris Boonzaier]

For me it looks like someone tried to make the Schule illegible.
The guy seems to have been a Technician for Light anti Aircraft guns, at the highest levels... then suddenly in the 2nd company of what I assume is a Junior NCO school.... as what ?

[douglynn]

any idea what the 2 award docs are for???

[douglynn]

and allso page 8 ,6 columns down is cal 6.35 mm is the shell size?? and can any one still tell me y dates to 1947

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hi,
They are promotion docs as a high ranking technician, I think he was at a Waffenamt office, a very far leap from becoming a paratrooper. The 6.35mm is a Belgian pistol that was issued to him.

As for the 1947 entries, they are pay entries, maybe as a POW? (Not sure if they were paid) or maybe working for the allies (They were fond of weapons technicians)

[douglynn]

thanks a millian chris it was not bought as a para book thought he was maybe a bit to old lol thought he maybe was a weapons trainer in some kinda para school u have been a great help

[Edward]

thanks a millian chris it was not bought as a para book thought he was maybe a bit to old lol thought he maybe was a weapons trainer in some kinda para school u have been a great help

Hello Doug & Chris,

It looks like the two formal docs are for his promotions. Interestingly the smaller 1939 doc is from the Armed Forces Weapons Office. This makes sense as the Soldbuch was started in 1940 and he was a flight engineer by profession. The assignment to the Fj junior NCO school pressing in anyone for who-knows-what at such a late time in the war may have been for any number of possible reasons.

The need for getting basic public services going after 1945 was immense. Numbers of former ex-servicemen with techinical experience were paid by the Allies to get these services running. I also have a number of Soldbuchs that show similar post-war employment. Btw, that is another nice Soldbuch.

Regards

[Chris Boonzaier]

Hello Doug & Chris,

It looks like the two formal docs are for his promotions. Interestingly the smaller 1939 doc is from the Armed Forces Weapons Office. This makes sense as the Soldbuch was started in 1940 and he was a flight engineer by profession. The assignment to the Fj junior NCO school pressing in anyone for who-knows-what at such a late time in the war may have been for any number of possible reasons.

The need for getting basic public services going after 1945 was immense. Numbers of former ex-servicemen with techinical experience were paid by the Allies to get these services running. I also have a number of Soldbuchs that show similar post-war employment. Btw, that is another nice Soldbuch.

Regards

Hi,
He was at the OKL in January 1938 already, but I would guess most of his service was at the Waffenamt, a lot of technical experiance, but little practicle.

[douglynn]

thanks guys i have sb on the way from a marine with a minesweepers badge

[douglynn]

should be with me soon thanks again guys

[Edward]

Hi Doug,

Just had another look at the Fj entry comment Chris made. I would have to agree with him on his observation of that entry. Plus, even though entries are found at times with inconsistancies in this case there should also have been a detachment date for him from the OKL to the Fj NCO school. That there is none raises my doubt to the Fj entries authenticity. IMO, he served with the same OKL office as listed throughout the war and the at some point the Fj entry was added in post-war. Even with the questionable Fj entry you still have a nice passbook.

Regards

[Gary T]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the FJ stamp. I wouldn't say it adds value to the piece at all but IMHO it is 100% genuine.

[Edward]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the FJ stamp. I wouldn't say it adds value to the piece at all but IMHO it is 100% genuine.

Hi Gary,

Yes, I initially thought the same, but how can the lack of a detachment date be explained? IMO even at this late date in the war all examples of Lw Soldbuchs I have show at least the date of transfer when released from the previous command. A late war administrative oversight is always a possibility . However, that his joining date was entered at the Fj NCO school, but not the overlooked entry of his release date from no less than the OKL which was no where near the front seems odd! IMO, such an omission in his Soldbuch may have also landed him in hot water and led to questioning during his transfer by either the Feldgendarmerie, or the Feldjager apparatus which was well into rounding up servicemen on just such technicalities during that time.

I do not have a Soldbuch with such an Fj stamping so maybe our Fj forum members could shed some light.

Regards

[Gary T]

For me it looks like someone tried to make the Schule illegible.
The guy seems to have been a Technician for Light anti Aircraft guns, at the highest levels... then suddenly in the 2nd company of what I assume is a Junior NCO school.... as what ?

Just because he was part of this school unit does not make him a paratrooper or an instructor. NCO and Officer schools would have had technicians for their weapons - probably to give the complete low down on the weapon.

[Chris Boonzaier]

Are we seriously considering that there is a functioning NCO school on mid march 1945 that needed a light flak gun Technician? According to Mehner most of these schools were disintegrating, men sent to fighting units, training areas overun by Russians etc. etc.

I suppose it is technically possible that for some strange reason he was shunted off there, just to give him something to do, all all could be fine and dandy, but for someone reading the book it is a strange change of service, (He seems to have been waffenamt, nothing to do with tactical or combbat training with the guns) and as a result the stamp seems slightly suspicious.

What do you base the " There is absolutely nothing wrong with the FJ stamp." on