EKs makers

[Stepdale]

Hello,
Posting these for another member. I know the photos aren't the best, but can any of the experts here determine the makers please?
Thank you,
Dale

[boch_62]

lower - IMO W&H (=109)
upper - please, better photos

Regards
Jarek

[sanya13]

IMO on the first pictures see a Hammer & Söhne pattern ,but IMO this is a cast type & not original

2. I agree with Jarek

[Stepdale]

I'll see if he can get better pictures of the first one. This came in a US veteran's souvenir lot.
Dale

[Yubari]

um 109 looks legit, 55 looks strange... I think better pictures will confirm its a copy as Sanya said.

[Stepdale]

More photos of the first cross for review.

[boch_62]

It looks like a one-piece cast =fake.

Regards
Jarek

[sanya13]

than said & I agree with Jarek

It looks like a one-piece cast =fake.

Regards
Jarek

[Stepdale]

Thank you, I'll let him know.