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**markus** · 05-01-2019, 07:27 PM

Originally posted by alexanderautogr View Post

Speculative comments made by non-experts are the reason so many people stay away from WAF.

I'm not going to engage with anyone here, but there are any number of reasons why the prelim. and hunting license are perfectly good. However, if one really WANTS to find something wrong with a piece and sh_t on it, that can be done with ANY item in ANYONE'S collection.

And to say that the Burgdorf signature is aberrant is simply preposterous. And the hunting license is such an ancillary item. More profit in forging Mengele's passport, no?

Besides KCs it's grades and formal documents, I've been mostly silently collecting LAH (high-end) document groups, uniforms, insignia, etc. for exactly 20 years (and never sold off anything). Groups I own are from Sepp Dietrich, Teddy Wisch, Michael Wittmann, Wilhelm Mohnke, Erich Göstl and many other KC, GC and CCC in Gold recipients of the Leibstandarte. I wrote 2 books (Wisch - published; Dietrich - still unpublished). I would never call myself an expert on things, but I do believe I have some knowledge on the field of the Leibstandarte and its documents.

Just this morning, rather by coincidence, I sent a friend of mine in Germany a photo of Sepp Dietrich's Berlin issued Hunting Licence and I see a lot of differences between Dietrich's and von Ribbentrop's, believe me. (The base license is original, but not it's inscription to RvR).

As to the prelim. KC document, I do not get a cozy feeling of it either and e.g. do not like the unit designation at all.

If original, I believe the set would have a value of approx. USD 15k retail and would easily sell at that level. I'm not surprised this sold so low.

There's a new book on the German Cross award documents by A. Renz focusing also on the high level of new fakes. I recommend anyone collecting documents to buy that book.

Anyway, only my opinion of course.

Cheers,
Markus

**mdj** · 05-02-2019, 12:18 AM

Originally posted by wolfslair44 View Post

Anyone still in contact with RvR? I had a painting commissioned of RvR, depicting him at Kursk and had the artist, Lukas Wirp, have RvR autograph the bottom of it. Wonder if anyone can verify the doc with him?

Rudolf his health is not the best anymore.

Difficult to get in contact with him. What you can do is to send him a letter with the picture of that painting and explain the situation. Perhaps he will respond.

Martin

**wolfslair44** · 05-03-2019, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by mdj View Post

Rudolf his health is not the best anymore.

Difficult to get in contact with him. What you can do is to send him a letter with the picture of that painting and explain the situation. Perhaps he will respond.

Martin

Thanks Martin. No for sure the autograph on the painting is real, as Lukas sent me the CD with the painting and RvR signing it.

I was just curious on the RK award doc, if he could speak to it still being with him or if he parted with it, etc.

**Brian S** · 05-03-2019, 12:01 PM

Seems convincing to me.

Look at document stamp.

Sig not always exactly the same.

Typewriter not the same.

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**markus** · 06-17-2019, 04:05 PM

Thanks to member "Lloyd I." :

This document is available to you, me and anyone else as long as supply lasts at the bargain price of only USD 7.00 + s&h. (original price was USD 9.00)

Document comes nicely aged and along with some photos of RvR and his father upon request.

https://www.krause-papierwerke.com/p...ficate-photo-s

Cheers,
Markus

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