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**Luftm40** · 03-02-2005, 03:23 PM

Another shot..in reality the inscription is faint, like it was done w/ a sharp pin. It is also covered in patina, which makes it even tougher to read..

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**Luftm40** · 03-02-2005, 04:20 PM

My best translation for the second line is:

1. zug sch. abt.

**FrankS** · 03-02-2005, 05:21 PM

my guess:

1. Gbg. Jg. Div.

1. Gebirgs Jäger Division

**Allan P.** · 03-02-2005, 06:12 PM

Andy,

There's an RK 'Hptm Herbert Tischendorf' Kp Chef i.d.s.Pz. Abt 509.

Allan

**Luftm40** · 03-02-2005, 07:02 PM

Allan, thanks..yes I noted that. He was awarded the DKiG as Ofw, but that would still be possible. Frank...I'm not sure I see those letters in there when I have it in hand.. That said, my stab at it may not work either. Perhaps it isn't a unit at all?

**CWP** · 03-02-2005, 07:33 PM

I definitely see the Sch. In the first set of letters the last one looks like a G. 3rd set of letters looks like it begins with a D?

Chris P,

**Luftm40** · 03-02-2005, 07:50 PM

..yes, thats what I thought too. The second set of letters are the sutterlin characters for Sch. to my eyes. I also agree that the last letter in the first set looks like g. The last set of letters is tough because he compressed them to miss the rivet...

**Ian Jewison** · 03-03-2005, 05:21 AM

Not sure what to think....it looks different each time I take a look...

1. ..g. Sch.Div.

Here are the two Tischendorf DK holders, none of the abbreviations appear to match up!

Why would he have Hauptmann on the back if he won it as an Oberfeldwebel?

Oberleutnant Rudolf Tischendorf. Flugzeugführer. 2./Aufklärungsgruppe ObdL

Ehrenpokal 01.06.42
Deutsches Kreuz in Gold 14.11.42

Oberfeldwebel Herbert Tischendorf. Panzer-Abteilung 60

Deutsches Kreuz in Gold 13.05.42
Das Ritterkreuz 11.03.45 as Hauptmann with schwere Panzer-Abteilung 509

/Ian

**Luftm40** · 03-03-2005, 05:50 AM

Ian, there is actually at least one more that I found

Siegfried Tischendorf OFW 8/GR 134 21/1/43

Perhaps he inscribed the cross after it was awarded and he had been promoted? Perhaps it was a replacement...several possibilities, and the inscription was done by the soldier himself. It looks more like it was done to mark a piece of property than to commemorate the award date. I agree, the second line looks different every time I study it too. What do you think about the name? Is that translation correct?

**Ian Jewison** · 03-03-2005, 08:07 AM

Originally posted by Andy Hopkins

Ian, there is actually at least one more that I found

Siegfried Tischendorf OFW 8/GR 134 21/1/43

Perhaps he inscribed the cross after it was awarded and he had been promoted? Perhaps it was a replacement...several possibilities, and the inscription was done by the soldier himself. It looks more like it was done to mark a piece of property than to commemorate the award date. I agree, the second line looks different every time I study it too. What do you think about the name? Is that translation correct?

Yes missed that one.....

It certainly looks like Tischendorf, however the abbreviations don't really make sense!

I see Hbg. perhaps for the first, that would be Hamburg!

then Flg....Flieger Schützen Division? Doesn't exist......

/Ian

**Ian Jewison** · 03-03-2005, 08:21 AM

Lets see what we can make of it now!!!

**Ian Jewison** · 03-03-2005, 08:21 AM

Again.....

**Ian Jewison** · 03-03-2005, 08:25 AM

I think it is:

1. Flg.Sch.Div. - 1. Flieger Schuldivision

Our Luftwaffe man must have become an instructor or trained at this school!
Perhaps by the time he received the award he was already a Hauptmann at his new unit...?

1. Flieger-Schuldivision

Formed November 1943 from the 2. Flieger-Ausbildungs-Division (this was renamed October 1943 Höh. Kommandeur der Flugzeugführerausbildungsschulen A/B) in Göppingen (later Kempten) under Luftflotte 10. - On 8.2.1945 the Division consisted of:

15 Flugzeugführerschulen A: 2 Würzburg, 5 Gablingen, 7 Schweinfurt, 10 Warnemünde, 14 Klagenfurt, 23 Kaufbeuren, 43 Crailsheim, 52 Braunschweig-Wagum, Celle und Goslar, 61 Werder, 72 Schwerin, 114 Weimar-Nohra, 115 Münsteuer/Ems, 116 Göppingen, 118 Stettin (Braunschweig-Broitzen), 115
Magdeburg-Süd
6 Flugzeugführerschulen B: 2 Neuruppin, 4 Barth, 14 Prag-Gbell, 16 Burg, 31 Brandis, 32 Prag-Rusin.

/Ian

**Luftm40** · 03-03-2005, 08:33 AM

Ian...that may very well be right. That would make some sense for the Luftwaffe pilot Tischendorf. He was awarded the DKiG fairly early as Oblt, then later transferred to this unit...perhaps as an instructor, by which time he had been promoted...makes sense to me. Like I said, "inscription" is too dramatic a word for this...IMO it really just has his name scratched in the back to identify the owner

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