German Cross in Gold

[Kobbungen]

Hi again, Gentlemen,
I have a new challenge. I have bought GCiG some time back - and there is a dispute wether this is a fake or not. Most people think it is a fake. And I would like to get a resonse from you as well. One nice person reffered to Dietrich book saying: "The wreath on your example definitely matches the cross on page 238 in Dietrich's book, however that one sports a wartime style Zimmermann hardware and as has been said the maker is unknown....." Please look at the pictures and see what you think. Thank you for any help.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57356260/1941.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57356260/GC_004.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57356260/GC_001.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57356260/GC_005.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/57356260/GC_006.jpg

[SNOOPY]

hmmmm....

This is NOT a wartime made German Cross.

[Operation Cobra]

This is NOT a wartime made German Cross.

Agreed

[Tony T-S]

Not even close.

[Tom B]

I agree, a fake

[AndyC]

Post two pictures for future reference.




Andy

[AndyC]

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[Kobbungen]

Why it is a fake...

Thank you very much to all of you! But can you please tell me what specific is wrong with it? Is it the pin or the lack of stamps, or just the whole thing? Would be nice to know so I can learn something here. Thank you.

[Tony T-S]

The wreath doesn't match, the rivets don't match, the pin reminds me of a post war Souval or S&L pin, so basically everything. Have a look through the pictures in various thread for the different types of DK and you'll get the idea. Also look at the post war S&L examples in the 57er section. Sadly you may not find too many post war Souval examples, but they are quite different to wartime ones and this one you have is trying to pass itself off as war time so they are the examples to check. I wish we had a pictorial database for these as we do the RKs.

I've just done this search and though there are other items not related there are many DK pictures to be found in the threads

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...17755861&pp=25

[Tom B]

It's all been said, it's afake

[Dietrich Maerz]

It's all been said, it's afake

I think that it is fair for a member to ask for a in depth explanation why something is a fake or not. This is a discussion forum and if all answers in the last 15 years would have been restricted to "Fake", "Crap", ... the community would not have learned anything.
Nobody forces anybody to answer (or to comment) and nobody should tell anybody when "all has been said."

[Operation Cobra]

Well said Dietrich, from my point of view the wreath is unlike any known war time examples that I am aware of. The pin, hook and hinge on the back are also unlike any wartime example I am aware of. The rivets seem to large from known examples. Its for these reasons that I personally would not put this cross into my collection.

[DonC]

The pin and catch are not wartime examples, and the rivets are far too crude to have passed inspection.

Don

[Kobbungen]

Thank you

Thank you very much for good feedback and for enlighten me on the subject.
I see I have a lot to learn about these awards.
Best regards, Tom