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**RoyA** · 02-13-2005, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by ben bijker

My "rounder " came with oaks as well

Interesting.

**Dave Kane** · 02-13-2005, 06:46 PM

Originally posted by RoyA

Interesting.

That is what 'caught my eye' regarding these crosses....Oaks or Oaks&Swords attached but no case nor ribbon!

The Oaks etc. were very richly frosted...

Then, they began to appear sans the Oaks but with oddly 'stubby' appearing loops.

**ben bijker** · 02-13-2005, 06:48 PM

Dave, do you happen to know when they started to show up??

ben

**Dave Kane** · 02-13-2005, 07:00 PM

That's part of the trouble Ben....all I have is an approximate time frame as I wasn't chasing RK's at the time but rather Visor caps! My best recall is the mid 80's (85-87). Unfortunately, no digi cam nor even the Internet....heck back then photography wasn't even allowed at some of the major Gun Shows even if one was inclined...

**Dietrich Maerz** · 02-13-2005, 07:05 PM

But of course the question from Ben should have bee:

When did you, Dave, see them appear the first time?

and the answer then is :

I, Dave Kane, saw the around 85-87 appear.

Correct? Brian got his cross in 1967.

Dietrich

**Dave Kane** · 02-13-2005, 07:55 PM

In all of the discussion we have had about these 'Rounders' I don't think that we have addressed very closely the 'time frame' of ownership or recollections of these crosses being 'coupled' with Oaks!

A 'poll' type posting might narrow down a 'period' as well as account for the ( I suspect ) unusual amount of this type of cross bought with Oaks attached....

Non scientific surely and dependant on owner's veracity but it might be a bit of fun!

**tom hansen** · 02-13-2005, 07:59 PM

As there are two with "7" stamps, why does not the paint match up with a Meybauer EK1?

Also, it looks like a slight deformity in the rim from the stamp, how can you say this was not added?

**Dietrich Maerz** · 02-13-2005, 08:05 PM

Originally posted by tom hansen

As there are two with "7" stamps, why does not the paint match up with a Meybauer EK1?

Also, it looks like a slight deformity in the rim from the stamp, how can you say this was not added?

That's why!

And does the paint of an Ek1 from Juncker match up with a Juncker RK? And if yes, with which one?

**petermac** · 02-13-2005, 08:16 PM

Hello,

A question from an ignoramus on these things. Is it usual to have the date at the bottom of the cross 'off centre'? It looks odd to see the numbering tending to the right hand side of the space available for it.

Happy collecting, Peter

**Dave Kane** · 02-13-2005, 08:27 PM

Peter...welcome! I love new blood!!

Valid point and acute observation regarding one of the Reich's highest Awards.

**tom hansen** · 02-13-2005, 08:32 PM

I did not have a juncker EK1 to test. The K&Q EK2 matches the RK well.

There were 882 recipients of the oaks. I guess one would think that with the rounders often appearing with oaks, there would be a period photo of that. Just guessing, but there would probably be a studio photo and press photos for both the RK and the oaks, so the chances of finding a photo of one should be higher than a RK alone.

**Dietrich Maerz** · 02-13-2005, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by tom hansen

I did not have a juncker EK1 to test. The K&Q EK2 matches the RK well.

So because the paint of one EK2 K&Q matches the paint of one K&Q RK the rule is established! I tell you right now that with 100% certainty the paint of one EK2 from Junckers will not match the paint of one Juncker RK. That is absolutely sure!

Regarding the oaks: What if all the attached oaks were fakes? or later attached? Or, what I think is the truth, what if the Rounders were not found OFTEN (as you say...) with oaks. Of how many Rounder do you know that are in collections with oaks?

Dietrich

**Dave Kane** · 02-13-2005, 08:55 PM

Dietrich, please measure the loop attached to your Rounder...

Length, width etc. and if you can weigh it!

**Dietrich Maerz** · 02-13-2005, 09:07 PM

Lenght : 18.12 mm
Width : 7.62 mm
Diameter : 1.45 mm
Weight : 1.4 gr
End nicely rounded, marked "800"

**Dave Kane** · 02-13-2005, 09:17 PM

Thanks DM...as always a Gent!

Back to my observation...'stubby'!

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