EK2 review , good or bad?

[sanya13]

Hí Guys
I found on a site and ,I would like to ask what is your opinion about this the cross
IMO this is a so called "60 " fake .
But the seller said that this is a original piece.

What is your opinion good or bad?
Thank you in advance for your response.

Sorry the pictures are not the best

[streptile]

That's a good fake.

[mp409mm]

I do not like to ask the same question, but if I do not ask and I meet with this. Kind of cross I am sure I be fooled, it is so good. What I should look for into this cross please?
Thank you
Alf

[streptile]

This is a very difficult fake to identify, but the main thing I look for is the frame, which is most likely a postwar strike of an S&L die.

The beads are very worn down, and especially in the inner corners. But here is the important part: this is not from wear (or polishing) on the cross, it is from the age of the die, and is consistent on all of these fakes.

Admittedly this is a tough frame to get your mind around at first, but once you "see" it, you will always see it when it's present. It's a very commonly used fake frame.

Here is a good photo showing this feature:

[mp409mm]

This is a very difficult fake to identify, but the main thing I look for is the frame, which is most likely a postwar strike of an S&L die.

The beads are very worn down, and especially in the inner corners. But here is the important part: this is not from wear (or polishing) on the cross, it is from the age of the die, and is consistent on all of these fakes.

Admittedly this is a tough frame to get your mind around at first, but once you "see" it, you will always see it when it's present. It's a very commonly used fake frame.

Here is a good photo showing this feature:

Thank You Streptile, Great information and a very good illustration which without them I would never have figure it out.
Regards
Alf.

[sanya13]

Hí Alf
I agree with Trevor and this the type
it is deceptive. because very similar the inner core the to be rare cancellable Katz & Deyhle of type

[mp409mm]

Hí Alf
I agree with Trevor and this the type
it is deceptive. because very similar the inner core the to be rare cancellable Katz & Deyhle of type

Thank You Sanya for the additional information.
Alf.

[boch_62]

I agree with Trevor and Sanya.
It is very well known copy - so-called - with "three coming off" in the date 1813

Regards
Jarek

[Douglas 5]

Yes Jerek ... the 3 seams to be ' falling off ' .

Douglas

[Douglas 5]

Now for all those who want to see this post war used frame on an original war time produced wide frame cross .
The beading was quit thick from the start with the same front but with a different reverse core die .
Probably a short time used die to start with - with having to file the inside corners to make the core fit .
Dies shelved and presumably sold post war to make these post war crosses with smaller frames .
Quit a wide frame for a S&L - some think maybe an unm 24 ??

Douglas

[Douglas 5]

The war time and post war version identified by the reverse core date .

Douglas

[sanya13]

THx the pictures