souval in estand not a war time cross

[cobra-2001]

The souval cross http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=762434 is a post war cross . It does not have the dipping 3 and on the back the ring is not attached. I could be wrong but I was told these were post war made. Cliff

[ben bijker]

looks original to me.

there are tons of crosses where the ring is attached on one side, I don't have a problem with this ek (but I don't know everything, of course...)

[cobra-2001]

cross

Hi Ben I was always told that if the three is not dipping and the ring is not attached that they were post war made . So how do you tell if they are a war time cross? Cliff

[ben bijker]

Hi Cliff,

mainly gut-feeling.
Souval used different cores (in their ek1 as well)

I can't prove it's wartime, but I do believe it is.

Best regards,
Ben

[Nordmark]

Hi Ben I was always told that if the three is not dipping and the ring is not attached that they were post war made . So how do you tell if they are a war time cross? Cliff

I don´t know how old you are, Cliff. But were yo present when Souval assembled their crosses? How do you know, if this is a wartime piece or not?


Regards,


Daniel

[StefanK.]

To me that is an original cross from the very early years of the war.

[sanya13]

hí Guys IMO this is a cross an wartime frame type unmarked good Souval ,the not wartime is have other frame

[cobra-2001]

I don´t know how old you are, Cliff. But were yo present when Souval assembled their crosses? How do you know, if this is a wartime piece or not?


Regards,


Daniel

Hi Daniel I ask the same question how do you tell them from post war . No I was not there when he made them just telling you what I have been told about them.

[tuckerf]

Where does the seller claim it is a wartime cross?

[August von Mackensen]

Because it is listed in this section

Original Third Reich badges and awards.

Matt

[Stu W]

Hello Cliff,

The cross is period authentic in my view. While I am far from expert I did collect Souval EK for a period of time years ago and found that all of the dozens of EK2 I handled had the reverse side of the ring unsoldered. As for the Dopping 3, I associate that feature with the fat swas Souval core in the EK1. Never came across one in an EK2, either marked or unmarked.

Regards,
Stu

[grueni1208]

Most of the post war Souval EKs have the dipping three, because these kind of number design is the original Souvaldesign. War time pieces of Souval have different number designs, dipping three is only one of them.

[Stu W]

Most of the post war Souval EKs have the dipping three, because these kind of number design is the original Souvaldesign. War time pieces of Souval have different number designs, dipping three is only one of them.

Hello Daniel,

It's been a long time since we last corresponded. I hope you are well.

Are your comments referring to both EK1 and EK2?

What is your opinion on the cross in question on the Estand.

Regards,
Stu

[grueni1208]

Hello Daniel,

It's been a long time since we last corresponded. I hope you are well.

Are your comments referring to both EK1 and EK2?

What is your opinion on the cross in question on the Estand.

Regards,
Stu

Hello Stu,

this EK II, looks like a Souval EK II with core by maker 27.
IMO Souval got cores from other Vienna EK maker during war, too. After the war, they only used their own products (dipping three cores and later the standard cores).