Juncker EKII

[plaut]

typical Juncker soldering for me and I don't think it was resoldered

[Douglas 5]

All the signs that is has been opened .
Left side (tip) is misaligned and the fine file marks do not line up .
3 different files were used on this one .

Douglas

[Flemming]

All the signs that is has been opened .
Left side (tip) is misaligned and the fine file marks do not line up .
3 different files were used on this one .

Douglas

I would vote for a resolder frame.

IMO, there seems to be uneven use of solder, and also it seems that there are "holes" in the solder. There are places where there's no solder visible.

/Flemming

[Steve Mezey]

sorry

Sorry to confuse everyone! All I wanted to know was if it was a Juncker or not? I understand that it is in relic condition and that is it. I am very skeptical that it has been taken apart and resoldered but if that is what you think so be it.

Thanks
Steve

[streptile]

typical Juncker soldering for me and I don't think it was resoldered

I agree, typical Juncker workmanship. Nice and interesting cross.

[fabri-online]

a good pic of the 1813 date is still missing, please can you show it ?
it's not clear to me what the kind is it. thanks

[kid74]

a good pic of the 1813 date is still missing, please can you show it ?
It's not clear to me what the kind is it. Thanks

+1

[Robert P.]

All the signs that is has been opened .
Left side (tip) is misaligned and the fine file marks do not line up .
3 different files were used on this one .

Douglas

It looks lined up to me...

I vote for original Juncker soldering. I've had many Juncker EKII's in the past and studied them extensively only to see Juncker's typical workmanship displayed in this cross as well. Currently in my collection I have four Juncker EKI's. Soldering and workmanship in these typical of this EKII cross also.

Robert

[plaut]

let's say I'm Juncker freak - now I have 17 Ekii by Juncker and 8 Eki. I sold and trade much more - each Ekii by Juncker has some issue but two take a look

[plaut]

2

[Douglas 5]

From what I can tell I see 2 areas where the file marks do not line up ?? On the left side the tips overlap also .
Steve can tell for certain as he has the cross . Some marks match as they were filed last . If you Steve could have a look around all the edges if any areas can be seen where file marks do not match .
Juncker would not have attached the jump ring at the wrong spot to start with as it had lugs . So the cross has been worked on 2 times .
Jump ring was attached on the side and crudly removed and attached back to where the lug was filed off . Puzzled to why the lug had to be removed ?

Michel - no wonder I can't find any - you got them all !
Nice examples ! Do any of yours have flaws on the reverse 3 - in the 1813 date ?

Douglas

[plaut]

Do any of yours have flaws on the reverse 3 - in the 1813 date ?

Douglas

Douglas,

Like this?

If yes, this one I sold to Kirill and I had at least 5 with almost the same flaw. I noticed that Juncker core with flaw between 1 and 9 on awers, most of it has also flaw on reverse 3

[Douglas 5]

Yes the flaw I was referring to . He sent me pictures of that one and went over the 2 flaws/chips in the 3 and the 8 has a die crack in it at the bottom . The 2 chips on the 3 start off small and slowly get larger and larger .

Douglas

[Steve Mezey]

1813

nu4

[Douglas 5]

Steve that one does not have the flaw . For some strange reason this flaw is eon cores that use the 3 flaw frames .

Douglas