L/11 Deumer EKI, worn for sure...

[Robert P.]

This is a well-worn award, the top seam slightly opened to see the core inside. I couldn't pass it up. I liked it's true worn condition...

Robert

[plaut]

Very nice one Robert. It common to see opened frame in L/11 marked Deumer EKi, especially hand vaulted.

[Maciej G]

Nice! I also have vaulted mint with a slightly open arms.
Interesting texture painting.

Best regards.

Maciej G.

[Robert P.]

Nice! I also have vaulted mint with a slightly open arms.
Interesting texture painting.

Best regards.

Maciej G.

Nice spidering effect under the paint.

Robert

[Tony T-S]

A very nice example. I wonder why the frames on these tended to split? Was it just poor workmanship or something in the frames themselves?

[Robert P.]

A very nice example. I wonder why the frames on these tended to split? Was it just poor workmanship or something in the frames themselves?

I don't really know. Perhaps, just a thought, Deumer used the Gablonz method mating the frame halves together. This is just speculation on my part. It wasn't nearly as trustworthy a method compared to the conventional method of soldering. I'll have to look closely for solder with my 20X loupe.

Robert

[Flemming]

I don't really know. Perhaps, just a thought, Deumer used the Gablonz method mating the frame halves together. This is just speculation on my part. It wasn't nearly as trustworthy a method compared to the conventional method of soldering. I'll have to look closely for solder with my 20X loupe.

Robert

I was thinking about the same, that it could be because of the method used to assemble the cross.

/Flemming

[Robert P.]

I can see solder down in the opened (split) area, so it wasn't assembled using the Gablonz method IMO. Solder is also evident between the halves around the entire cross.

Robert

[CWP]

Nice cross. I like them like this.

[Flemming]

I can see solder down in the opened (split) area, so it wasn't assembled using the Gablonz method IMO. Solder is also evident between the halves around the entire cross.

Robert

Is this the marked area where you can see solder?

Could you take a Macro photo of the area where you can see solder please?

/Flemming

[Robert P.]

Is this the marked area where you can see solder?

Could you take a Macro photo of the area where you can see solder please?

/Flemming

Actually all across the top where it is split. I'll try and get a good shot for you. After breakfast.

Robert

[Robert P.]

Here you can see solder down inside the split. It looks like oxidation...

Edit: There appears to be very little solder on one side of the split. Inadequate craftsmanship/insufficient fill.

Robert

[Douglas 5]

Another Deumer :... nice

Looking at the hinge the solder splatter/flow on this one is the same as on your imperial core one - the torch held low on one side and the flame pressure blowing the hot metal out the other side .
Have seen this on a few now .

Your editing is important and most interesting .
No solder on one side of the frame would possibly point to the Gablonzer method . The frame halves being open so long .... the solder surface naturly has oxidized .
The difference of mounting is :
one type used solder , paste and external heat source -- as the other method only uses sheer pressure/internal heating -- to bond the 2 halves .

Douglas

[Douglas 5]

The bare spot is the weak point . The back plate seams to be bent - pulled on ? - what caused the haves to pop open .

Douglas

[Robert P.]

The bare spot is the weak point . The back plate seams to be bent - pulled on ? - what caused the haves to pop open .

Douglas

Opening the pin over and over again. There is a lot of resistance on the pin as you open it from the catch. Meybauer and Deumer are especially vulnerable and have split frames near the hinge.

Robert