EKII Clasp

[Gew44]

Hi to everyone,
IMo This is an unmarked Juncker , but more opinions are welcomes.

Thanks a lot

Ciao

[Gew44]

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[Gew44]

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[streptile]

This is a very nice example of the type attributed to Meybauer.

[tinmantis]

Strep's correct
regards
jon

[Giel VW]

Nice intermediate clasp.

Just for the record, why are these connected to Meybauer?

[streptile]

In my opinion:

1. this type is probably a Meybauer because of design similarities, but it's not 100% sure;
2. there is no such thing as an "intermediate clasp."

[tinmantis]

Trevor, what's your opinion of this?
regards
jon

[streptile]

Hi Jon,

I have more faith in that type than most do. I've seen one on a bar that looked great (didn't I send you pics? I can't find them at the moment).

[tinmantis]

I don't think I saw the one on a bar, but I like them
George has the only other one I've seen so far
I've called this one 'intermediate' in the past too! adding to the confusion
regards
jon

[streptile]

The idea of an "intermediate" Clasp design, or an "intermediate" Schinkel design, is just a total fantasy, I'm sure you would agree. The designs did not evolve, from scalloped dateboxes, to only minimally scalloped dateboxes, to flat-side dateboxes. It's not like it was a natural progression from a very narrow Schinkel, to one slightly wider, to the final LDO-size cross. There is no biology in it. The reality is that different makers had different designs until someone said, "hey, make the dateboxes flat-sided" or "hey, make all the crosses 44mm." Then everyone conformed. So what some people call "intermediate" Schinkels or Clasps are just different makers' early designs, that were more or less narrow, or more or less scalloped.

"Intermediate" is a term that should be phased out.

[Gew44]

Thanks a lot for the new info and positive feedback.

I learned again today about the spange.

I agree with Trevor about the term Intermediate, on specific WWII era all the decorations was made from "many factory" not just one ( for many many reasons, same today for millions pieces production..... 2/3 factory made that. Crashing tooling of one factory, grow production..etc.) Same on past, with one more difficult... not all the factories produced the same items for long time and this create Cross, spange and others made before mm LDO/ PKN directive without mark and probably for strictly time.
Intermediate is not a correct name, is probably better say .... " unknown "

IMHO

Ciao

[tinmantis]

I totally agree in Trevor's spange creationist theory vs Darwinism
regards
jon

[steiner68]

you have got a beautiful spange