iron Cross 1st Class--Karl Gschiermeister, Wien

[militariacoll]

Any opinions on this Iron Cross...Pin is maker stamped 50 for Karl Gschiermeister, Wien ... It is magnetic but almost appears to be one piece....There are die/file markings on the edges....catch, hinge and pin all seem to be correct....

[ben bijker]

IMO a one-piece fake...

[Jordan Wills]

I agree with Ben, it's a bad fake.
Jordan

[Woolgar]

A known fake !

For the record there was no maker 50 of EK's

Nick

[AndyC]

A known fake !

For the record there was no maker 50 of EK's

Nick

I´ll agree


Andy

[militariacoll]

Not trying to make this cross real....But....there are a couple of websites that indicate 50 was a maker....This list seems to be much more extensive......

Iron Cross 1st Class Manufacturers.

1. Deschler und Sohn, Munchen (Munich)
2. C.E.Juncker, Berlin
3. Wilhelm Duemer, Ludenscheid
4. Steinhauer und Luck, Ludenscheid
5. Hermann Wernstein, Jena-Lobstedt
6. Fritz Zimmermann, Stuttgart
7. Paul Maybauer, Berlin
8. Ferdinand Hoffstatter, Bonn/Rhein
9. Liefergemeinschaft Pforzheimer Schuckhandwerker, Pforzheim
10. Foerster und Barth, Pforzheim
11. Grossmann und Company, Wien (Vienna)
12. Frank und Reif, Stuttgart
13. Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
14. Lauer, Nurnberg
15. Friedrich Orth, Wien (Vienna)
16. Alois Rettenmaier, Schwabisch/Gmund
17. Unknown Manufacturer
18. Karl Wurster KG, Markneukirchen
19. E.Ferd Weidmann, Frankfurt am Main
20. C.F.Zimmermann, Pforzheim
21. Gebr, Godet & Company, Berlin
22. Boerger & Company, Berlin
23. Arbeitsgemeinschaft fur Heeresbedaarf in der Graveur und Ziselierung, Berlin
24. Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Hanauer Plakettenhersteller, Hanau am Main
25. Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Graveur, Gold und Silbeerschmeid Inningen, Hanau
26. B.H.Mayers Kunstprageanstalt, Pforzheim
27. Anton Schenkl's Nachfolger, Wien (Vienna)
28. Eugen Schmidthaussler, Pforzheim
29. Hauptmunzamt, Berlin
30. Hauptmunzmat, Wien (Vienna)
31. Hans Gnad, Wien
32. W. Hobacher, Wien
33. Friedrich Linden, Ludenscheid
34. Willy Annetsberger, Munchen (Munich)
35. F.W.Assmann und Sohn, Ludenscheid
36. Bury & Leonhard, Hanau
37. Adold Baumeister, Ludenscheid
38. Unknown Manufacturer
39. Rudolf Berge, Gablonz
40. Berg & Nolte, Ludenscheid
41. Gebr. Bender, IDar/Oberstein
42. Bindermann & Company, Oberkassel bei Bonn
43. Julius Bauer Sohn, Zella Mehlis
44. Jakob Bengel, Idar/Oberstein
45. Franz Jungwirth, Wien
46. Hans Doppler, Wela Oberdonau
47. Erhard & Sohn A.G., Schwabisch/Gmund
48. Richard Feliz, Gablonz
49. Richard Felix Sohn, Gablonz
50. Karl Gschiermeister, Wien
51. Eduard Gorlach & Sohn, Gablonz
52. Gottlieb und Wagner, Idar/Oberstein
53. Glaser & Sohn, Dresden
54. Unknown Manufacturer
55. J.E.Hammer & Sohn, Geringswalde
56. Robert Hauschild, Pforzheim
57. Karl Hensler, Pforzheim
58. Artur Jakel & Company, Gablonz
59. Louis Keller, Oberstein
60. Katz & Deyhle, Pforzheim
61. Rudolf A. Karnethz & Sohn, Gablonz
62. Kerbach & Osterhelt, Dresden
63. Franz J. Klast & Sohn, Gablonz
64. Gottl. Fr. Keck & Sohn, Pforzheim
65. Klein & Quenzer, Idar/Oberstein
66. Friedrich Keller, Oberstein
67. H. Kriesel, Gablonz
68. Alfred Knobloch, Gablonz
69. Alois Klammer, Innsbrick
70. Lind & Meyrer, Oberstein
71. Rudolf Leukert, Gablonz
72. Franz Lipp, Pforzheim
73. Franz Manert, Gablonz
74. Carl Maurer Sohn, Oberstein
75. Unknown Manufacturer
76. Ernst L. Muller, Pforzheim
77. Bayerische Hauptmunzamt, Munchen (Munich)
78. Gustav Miksch, Gablonz
79. Unknown Manufacturer
80. G.H.Osang, Dresden
81. Overhoff & Cie, Ludenscheid
82. Augustin Prager, Gablonz
83. Emil Peukert, Gablonz
84. Carl Pellath, Schrobenhausen
85. Julius Pietsch, Gablonz
86. Paulmann & Crone, Ludenscheid
87. Roman Palme, Gablonz
88. Werner Redo, Saarlautern
89. Rudolf Richter, Schlag bei Gablonz
90. August F. Richter, KG, Hamburg
91. Josef Rossler und Company, Gablonz
92. Josef Ruckert & Sohn, Gablonz
93. Richard Simm & Sohn, Gablonz
94. Unknown Manufacturer
95. Adolf Scholze, ----------
96. Unknown Manufacturer
97. Unknown Manufacturer
98. Rudolf Souval, Wien
99. Schwertner & Cie, Granz/Eggenberg
100. Rudolf Wachter & Lange, Mittwaida
101. Rudolf Tam, Gablonz
102. Phillip Turk, Wien
103. August G. Tam, Gablonz
104. Heinrich Ulbricht's Ww, Kaufiing bei Schwanenstadt/Oberdonau
105. Heinrich Vogt, Pforzheim
106. Bruder Schneider AG, Wien
107. Carl Wild, Hamburg
108. Arno Wallpach, Salzburg
109. Walter & Henlein, Gablonz
110. Otto Zappe, Gablonz
111. Ziemer & Sohn, Oberstein
112. Argentor Werke Rust & Hetzel, Wien
113. Hermann Aurich, Dresden
114. Ludwig Bertsch, Karlsruhe
115. Unknown Manufacturer
116. Funcke & Bruninghaus, Ludenscheid
117. Hugo Lang, Wiesenthal
118. August Menze & Sohn, Wien
119. Unknown Maunfacturer
120. Franz Petzl, Wien
121. Unknown Manufacturer
122. J.J. Stahl, Strassburg
123. Beck, Hassinger & Comapny, Strassburg
124. Rudolf Schanes, Wien
125. Eugen Gauss, Pforzheim
126. Eduard Hann, Oberstein
127. Moritz Hausch AG, Pforzheim
128. S.Jablonski GmbH, Posen
129. Fritz Kohm, Pforzheim
130. Wilhelm Schroder & Company, Ludenscheid
131. Heinrich Wander, Gablonz
132. Franz Reischauer, Idar/Oberstein
133. Unknown Manufacturer
134. Otto Klein & Company, Hanau
135. Julius Mosersen, Oberstein

L/10 Deschler & Sohn, Munchen
L/11 Wilhelm Deumer, Ludenscheid
L/12 C.E.Juncker, Berlin
L/13 Paul Meybauer, Berlin
L/14 Friedrich Orth, Wien
L/15 Otto Schickle, Pforzheim
L/16 Steinhauer & Luck, Ludenscheid
L/17 Hermann Wernstein, Jena/Lobstedt
L/18 B.H.Mayer's Hofkunstprageanstalt, Pforzheim
L/19 Ferdinand Hoffstatter, Bonn
L/21 Forster & Barth, Pforzheim
L/22 Glaser & Sohn, Dresden
L/23 Julius Maurer, Oberstein
L/24 Fritz Zimmermann, Stuttgart
L/25 A.E.Kachert, Wien
L/26 Klein und Quenzer, Idar/Oberstein
L/50 Gebr. Godet, Berlin
L/51 E.Ferd, Wiedmann, Frankfrut am Main
L/52 C.F.Zimmermann, Pforzheim
L/53 Hymmen & Company, Ludenscheid
L/54 Schauerte & Hohfeld, Ludenscheid
L/55 Wachtler & Lange, Mittwaida
L/56 Funcke & Bruninghaus-------
L/57 Boerger & Company, Berlin
L/58 Rudolf Souval, Wien
L/59 Alouis Rettenmaier, Schwabisch/Gmund
L/60 Gustav Brehmer, Markneukirchen
L/61 Friedrich Linden, Ludenscheid
L/62 Werner Redo, Saarlautern
L/63 G.H.Osang, Dresden
L/64 Assmann & Sohn, Ludenscheid
L/65 Franke & Company KG, Ludenscheid
L/66 A.D.Schwerdt, Stuttgart

[Exile]

Not trying to make this cross real....But....there are a couple of websites that indicate 50 was a maker....This list seems to be much more extensive......

Hi

That list is an extensive list of LDO authorised makers for various awards. Only a very small subset of those makers made EKIs and EKIIs.

I am happy to stand corrected, but the maker '50' was not a maker of EKIs or EKIIs.

What you have there is a spurious mark likely added to give the cross more 'legitimacy'. It is not uncommon for fakers or even other dealers/collectors to add these makes to increase the value of a cross or fool the next collector that buys it.

Sorry for the bad news.

Matt

[AUSGANG]

The only genuine 50 is an L/50 and the mark looks like this for the most part. There are stamps on the pin if it is a PB that are slightly differnt but I don't have one of those

[Hank C.]

Not trying to make this cross real....But....there are a couple of websites that indicate 50 was a maker....This list seems to be much more extensive......
....edit....

There are also websites that tell us the earth is flat & man never landed on the moon.

That's why we have to be very careful of the internet... This cross is just plain no good.

No bad feelings intended - just an example.

all the best,
Hank

[5tefan]

Not trying to make this cross real....But....there are a couple of websites that indicate 50 was a maker....This list seems to be much more extensive......

Iron Cross 1st Class Manufacturers.

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You will not manage to make this cross real here @ WAF.
50 is not a maker for EK1. I'm sure about this fact.
There are too much facts that 50 was not an EK1 maker.
Minimum it was a KVK1 maker w/o Sword maker and your pinsetup does not match to the known KVK1 even of all official EK1!
Sorry, but I wish you better luck next time.

You will not find any EK1 marked "50" in my database www.ek1-dna.de
or a pinform like your EK1
http://www.ek1-dna.de/position-of-pin-swelling.html

But you will find an "[50]" marked KVK1, not marked "50" and not identical pinshape
http://www.kvk1-dna.de/-50--karl-gsc...ter,-wien-.php


BTW, if scroll down on the first page of the www.ek1-dna.de database you will find a good maker mark list of EK1!
Minimum better than your shown EK1 Maker Mark List