KC - I need Your help!

[Tony T-S]

I would love a 65 just like this. They are my favourite maker.

Dietrich, thank you for that information. The only way we really ever learn is by chipping away at the information to get at the truth. I guess when money is involved people have to cover their tracks. People also want to create heros they feel obliged to believe without reality checks. The openness to learning is a far better way to go, and most important as we get further away from the events and lose the ability to authenticate things. I think this century may produce the "perfect" copy of most of the things we collect, so the more we can document authentic pieces the better. That's why the collecting work of various forum members and the detailed research of various other members is so important. Its not just a hobby, its history.

[nick-j]

I have owned both K&Q Kc"s -- a 800 65 marked one and a 800 marked attributed one but have noticed that the ones only marked with the 800 and without the three dot flaw are seldom seen.In my opinion (for the little weight that carries )this is a nice wartime produced cross

[peterm]

Very nice RK, peter! Do you know anything about the recipient?

Many greetings,
Stefan

Thanks Stefan!
Yes, I know the recipient (Austrian infanterie officer), but the family doesn't want to be named.

Kind regards,

Peter

[Hoss]

The RK is a total fake, I will give you 100.00 Euros to enhance my "fake" library.


There are items of 3rd Reich which have that look about them , this one I would put my mortgage on it lovely piece!!

Probably a former council house that they built for 3/6d Lol!
Sorry Mr Kyle couldn't resist I'm a lifelong giggler with twisted humour to some its a sickness.

[Darrell]

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It is disappointing to realize that the latest and highly hyped book about the Iron Cross 1. Class (German language) does not explain the topic of the PKZ numbers at all, leaving the reader wondering, why there is all over sudden a Iron Cross with a "7" which also could have a "L/13" or be unmarked (He mentions only once in the book that the PKZ numbers were introduced in mid 1941 (no source), leaving the terrible thought that he makes no difference between LDO-numbers and PKZ-numbers. Someting that is confirmed throughout the book.)

As an example of the usefulness of the knowledge about the numbering system might serve the following: He divides the the Maybauer Iron Crosses into three "production time frames": early, middle and late and determines the time frames by the style of the pin in use. Now the reader finds the following: early pin with "unmarked", "7" and "L/13", middle pin with "7" and "L/13" and the late pin with "L/13" only.

The actual LDO- and PKZ-markings on the pins he names early, middle and late betray his categorization as false and very misleading. All one could say is that the early pin was used from the very beginning until at least past the end of 1942, the "middle" pin was at least used from March 1941 onwards until at least past the end of 1942 and the "late" pin was in use past March 1941. This false and misleading "time line" results out of the ignorance of studying the available material and is also a result of "The School of Pins and Catches", substituting real research with visual determination of hardware with the view solely focused on "variations".

It seems that the urge to find as much collector variations as possible (including left opening catch and right opening catch) has somewhat shrouded the view on the bigger historical context. This goes back to the time when every dealer could sell a "7"-marked Iron Cross as the original cross awarded in 1939, now sadly again confirmed by the "early" pin in the latest "publication."

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Dietrich

These three paragraphs (I HOPE) everyone reads and learns something from ...

I've commented in another thread about fly by night authors that throw a book out there with all these variations and makers yet fail to give hard scientific evidence of how they came to those conclusions.

This is, and continues to be a very detrimental aspect to this hobby and you can see the end result. Unfounded theories, assumptions, timelines etc. that soon turn into fact and truth "because its in a book".

For gods sake, if you are responsible enough to take the time to write a publication, do your homework.

[StefanK.]

Thanks Stefan!
Yes, I know the recipient (Austrian infanterie officer), but the family doesn't want to be named.

Kind regards,

Peter

da schlägt mein Herz höher Wenn du es mal abgeben willst...

Grüße aus Kärnten