EK I klass, Orth/Schickle?

[argan]

Hallo!

I'd like to have opinions about this cross; according to me it is the so called "Orth/Schickle anomaly"..

What do you think about?

Thank you!

[argan]

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[PzBtl423]

copy !!!

[Gew44]

IMO I don't like this EKI type, for me is a copy made in Austria during '80s.

[5tefan]

Orth ware time or post war ?!

[Dietrich Maerz]

As we know from the man who actually initiated the manufacture of this (and other) types of EK1, it is a post-war manufacture made from leftovers. There is not even the slightest doubt about this.

It is unfortunate that this fact has still not registered with some and that this fake is still considered in certain collector circles a war time original and is even pondered in publications!

Just another case of continuous stubborness and denial of owners of fakes or post war productions.

Dietrich

[StefanK.]

That cross bears all characteristics of a wartime original. So there is no reason NOT to believe that this is what we call a "pre 45" cross. For sure it COULD be assembled postwar. But if we assume that there exist post war assembled medals ANY medal which does not come from the hands of the holder itself could be postwar assembled; any L/12 RK, any Godet OL, anything....

[Dietrich Maerz]

Well, that was exactly the purpose of the maker of the cross and I am glad to offer you my example for the price of a war example.
As I said in the German forum regarding this matter: You can lead the horse to water, but you can't make it drink! You believe it is wartime, I know it is not - that is the difference.

Dietrich

[StefanK.]

Does that mean that this combination - souval frame and core, the late war pin and the L15 - did not exist during the war? What makes you "know" that? Are you recently doing in time machines?

[Dietrich Maerz]

Stefan,

I know it is for some people really difficult to understand the concept of post war production with the help of the parts that were still in existence. One does not need a time machine to talk to the guy who actually did it. Even you could ask him when you would come to the big shows. But you might not believe him but rather your expertise. Making bad peice good by argumentation and page-long debate is not the way to handle this.

As I said earlier: believe in your Orth/Souval L 15 and be happy with it.

[StefanK.]

I know to whom you are referring to but did he create a new type by putting together old parts and did that combination shown above not exist? If he used "old"parts how can we say that this type did not exist already during the war? Or is that L15 mark postwar? I really do not understand.

[argan]

Hallo,

According to me, it was similar to the model shown at page 139 "the Iron Cross 1st Class" , Maertz-Stimson, B&D Pubbl.

The pictures I posted are not high quality pictures, so some details are not clear, but I believed it was the so colled "Orth-Schickle anomaly".

May I know what are the details to consider it postwar?

Thank you very much,

Best Regards

Argan

[Gew44]

IMO I don't like this EKI type, for me is a copy made in Austria during '80s.

Maybe this scan help

This coming from " Nazi Militaria - Fake or Real ?" book by Ray R. Cowdery published on 1993.

Inside same book, page 25, is showed one picture where is wrote above them: "The author watches as "Nazi" badges are manufactured in a factory in Taipei, Taiwan ROC in the 1980s"