someone done a good catch

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price

Looks to me like 3400.00 euro. I'm not sure about commission relative to the auction result quote. My inquiring mind wants to know how many straight nines are known to exist. (1 st Class)

[Gran Sasso]

What was the final price with commission, and what was included in the lot?

Lot Nr. 5780
A field uniform for a Major and staff member of the Cossack Division

Made to measure by the Vienna master tailor Josef Andrysek in field-grey gabardine with dark green collar, field grey buttons and matte silver insignia. Sleeve badge of the personal staff of General von Pannwitz, the large curved pocket flaps in traditional Austrian style. Green stitched silk liner with corresponding tailor´s tag, the inner pocket with a fadede name tag. A coat used over a long period of time, with corresponding age patina.
Breeches of madder red gabardine (dragoons?) appropriate for the Cossacks.
Sewn-on Croatian Order of the Crown of King Zvonimir, 3rd Class with Oak Leaves, on an Austrian triangular ribbon, tarnished. Affixed Iron Cross 1st Class, Ostvolk Decoration for Bravery in Silver with Swords, General Assault Badge (hollow-stamped) and Wound Badge in Black.

Condition: II-
Limit: 2500 EURO
Sold: 3400 EURO (plus 23% commision)

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included

Included in the lot was a field uniform for a Major and Staff member of the
cossack Division with a pair of matching to the tunic breeches of madder red gabardine (dragoons) medals as seen in first post plus a sewn on Croation Order of the Crown King Zvonimir, 3 rd class w/ oakleaves on Austrian ribbon. Lot no 5780 in the 65. Auktion 22 - 22 Oct 2012

[streptile]

Thanks Gran Sasso and Steve for the information.

My inquiring mind wants to know how many straight nines are known to exist. (1 st Class)

I have seen (photos of) seven pieces including this one here:

1. One was shown on another forum years ago;
2. One is owned by a European friend;
3. One is owned by a friend here in the US (I think you know him);
4. One is mine;
5. One was posted in my recent thread on the type;
6. One is shown in EK1-DNA; this was also posted on SDA;
7. One is on this uniform.

I'm sure there are many, many more. But that's what I know personally.

[Henrik]

whats the price on that rare little thingy?

Indeed special, never seen one, and glad to see one

[Oberst Rudel]

Hi: i believe just know the owner of this lot, a collector from Barcelona....saludos

[Tony T-S]

You can let him know how well he has done if he doesn't know already.

[juoneen]

Now the logical question is: was there a second class straight end nine made also with the same small swas and features ?? If so were they ever marked , and could one that's marked lend a clue as to who this ones maker is??

Another interesting observation is cole bush banging his head like he knows , but he never says so, just HH , so it seems to me to mention the answer to the quiz would have been less suspicious than to act like he already knew . In my whole life I have seen many ICII's,the rarer round three versions , but NEVER have seen the straight nine ICII. Where has this cross been featured in collector periodicals , and how can this design be so rare, but never featured on the forum, or was it?

What has dietrich said about this type cross, and is there any remotest possibility the cross could not be genuine?

Now it's time to get the owner to post the close ups of the front and back details for the record , and see what its specific charachteristics are peculair to this type so we can all get educated.

IF it is truly rare , I hope they don't start showing up all over the place all at once by the hundreds,because I was always under the opinion medals and badges designs had to be standard to a style, even though individual makers had their own die versions of the original design. How could this be such a drastic departure from hitlers own design , as he did the designing of most of the TR awards himself personally ?? (all valid questions we will see if there are any answers to ) Possibly could the design have been stopped by the people who inspected the awards and been changed back to the curved nine after possibly one small production run, when they standardized medals, so I would assume it may be only a 1939 year manufactured cross. it would be interesting to see all the known versions posted on one thread for comparison by all their owners to see if the hardware all jives to one another.

Its is also the opinion of the top auctioneer in my state that any auction that charges a buyers premium , are crooks, but 23% ...OUCH. !! I hope this one is 100% an original tunic , and all its trappings. (that is for the buyers sake) Did the auction post any provenance for it ?

[StefanK.]

That was a really stunning lot with provenance to an austrian aristocrat. The lot contained some 5 tunics and nearly every one of them had an EK1 attached. Most of them were Schickle EK1 with the early screwdisc but the big plate was missing. Unfortunately it was all divided in single lots. There was a small medal lot and the rest was attached to the tunics. If i had seperated that lot, i would have gathered the medals to a single lot and would have offered the uniforms alone. But anyway, dividing groups is not what i find good as all....

[ben bijker]

Juoneen,this cross is a nice original.

It also comes as ek2
I know about 4 or 5 second class crosses, and about the same number of ek1.

I have been collecting ek's only over the past years and I dare to say these are rare indeed, bot 1st and 2nd class...

ben

[ben bijker]

In this thread (there are some others ) you can see both classes:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...hinkels&page=2

[Doggie]

Lot Nr. 5780
A field uniform for a Major and staff member of the Cossack Division

Made to measure by the Vienna master tailor Josef Andrysek in field-grey gabardine with dark green collar, field grey buttons and matte silver insignia. Sleeve badge of the personal staff of General von Pannwitz, the large curved pocket flaps in traditional Austrian style. Green stitched silk liner with corresponding tailor´s tag, the inner pocket with a fadede name tag. A coat used over a long period of time, with corresponding age patina.
Breeches of madder red gabardine (dragoons?) appropriate for the Cossacks.
Sewn-on Croatian Order of the Crown of King Zvonimir, 3rd Class with Oak Leaves, on an Austrian triangular ribbon, tarnished. Affixed Iron Cross 1st Class, Ostvolk Decoration for Bravery in Silver with Swords, General Assault Badge (hollow-stamped) and Wound Badge in Black.

Condition: II-
Limit: 2500 EURO
Sold: 3400 EURO (plus 23% commision)

that is awesome

[Oberst Rudel]

You can let him know how well he has done if he doesn't know already.

Just talk with him already and really know how special the whole thing was...amazing!

[juoneen]

about the ICI on the uniform

I like the uniform a lot and congrats to the buyer.
Thanks for the backround info...and when something like a straight nine cross suddenly pops up after never seeing anything like it in more than 4 decades of collecting, the first feeling one gets as an early collector is: could it possibly be newly created since its manufacturer is unknown?

It is normal to look at any unusual or unknown items so drasticly different with careful discernment , as the straight nine cross posted here , with all the restriking of medals badges and awards that has gone on , and still goes on , and not be too quick to accept them 100% without question, until careful investigation that the proof , as in this description stefanK. mentions was provenanced to an austrian aristocrat is verified , as many times awards are added to uniform awards missing, when found , and uniform loops for the awards are empty and then filled with badges to make the uniforms more desirable. (although the uniforms may belong to the aristocrat,we are all aware it doesn't always mean the badges were theirs actually awarded in WW2)

I think its time to start a thread by those who own these IC's(like streptile) of both grades with straight nines for a closer and comparison,and see what pops up others may have , and include everything each owner knows about the discovery of each cross individually , and to be transparent to include everything each owner can lend to how , where, and when each was found or located , if any have provenance , or if they were just gun show finds.

Even in provenanced awards groups of famous persons in the third reich in threads here , many of the awards they show , the awardees have listed on their award dossiers earned ,when their medals are posted as supposedly being theirs, are NOT all the actual awards they wore they were awarded. (possibly as these awards ,that now are attached to the uniform in this thread may not be , but who can say for sure?)

More often than not it is rare to find complete uniforms today with the actual soldiers original medals ,unless found in avets estate kept since brought home for 70 years, as when captured badges were fair game as soldiers surrendered , and in the moment ,had more important things to worry about than medals or badges, like keeping their life .

This is one of the most recent Interesting threads , and let's all hope evidence can be compiled on this straight nine cross, to help prove not only that the ones in existance are ww2 manufactured ,and all of the same types of hardware, and details , and IF there is rock solid marks on some to identify positively that they truly are of the TR period, and not just another post war copy of high quality .

I do not anticipate a solution to this cross's authenticity any time soon, but it is threads like these that stimulate much activity by collectors who come here to learn, and who knows what information will turn up that may be unexpected , so let the chips fall where they may .

[ben bijker]

Tto the best of my knowledge Chris Boonzaier's
Ek belongs to wife's father who bought it in
Early years as a replacement

My ek2 was in the collection of lucky luudje and
came from niemann

I got my ek1 from a contact in germany,
He got it from the awardee

There may be little provenance, but you
will be convinced when you can inspect 1 of these in hand
The quality is very good, a well-made ek