S&L EK1 Sideways 4

[Jordan Wills]

Hello Everyone,
I've owned this EK1 for a while now and have always wondered about the makers mark has anyone seen a sideways marked 4 before. I have seen a few S&L EK1's but they all seem to be marked straight?
If anyone else has a sideways 4 please feel free to post pictures.
Thanks,
Jordan

[George Stimson]

That's a first for me.
(I've seen the "4" mark both straight and "sideways" on the rings of S&L's EK 2s also.)

[Darrell]

Jordon, can you get a closer view of the "4"?

[Woolgar]

How unusual

Nick

[Douglas 5]

Yes different ! As George mentioned common to find the '4' in all 4 positions on EK2 ribbon rings .

Douglas

[Douglas 5]

Jordan ... while you are at it can you get a closeup of the date ?

Douglas

[Douglas 5]

Don't know if it is just me in need of more coffee ... or do I see an 'A' type Flock needle here with modified tip - and a short top 3 in the date ????

Douglas

[Don Prince]

Hi Douglas,

Please excuse my lack of knowledge... I read these postings to learn about the Iron Crosses. I have Dietrich Maerz book "The Iron Cross 1. Class" and I don't see a manufacturer "Flock" listed. I did a search on the internet and still can't find "Flock"... Can you help me?

Regards,
Don_

[Darrell]

Hi Douglas,

Please excuse my lack of knowledge... I read these postings to learn about the Iron Crosses. I have Dietrich Maerz book "The Iron Cross 1. Class" and I don't see a manufacturer "Flock" listed. I did a search on the internet and still can't find "Flock"... Can you help me?

Regards,
Don_

It's actually Floch not Flock.

http://70.87.163.50/forums/showthread.php?t=348546

[Jordan Wills]

Here are close-ups.
they are the best i can do, hope they help.
thanks,
Jordan

[Darrell]

Pretty hard to see definitively, but look 100% to me.
Marks were stamped all over the place, upside down, sideways, upright ... if you think you've seen it all .. you haven't been around long enough.

[hades2004]

It looks right to me . I have had a S&L EK1 , there are not too much different .
Kind Regards
Xiwan

[Douglas 5]

Hi Darrell :
So the posted EK1 is then original ?
I am having difficulty with seen these two pins being realy any different /... or is the difference between a good and bad one just a minute one .

Regards Douglas

[Don Prince]

It looks like S&L placed the 4 both centered and high on the pin... The only thing that bothers me is the 4 itself. Your 4 is in a rectangle punch recess, and the ones in Dietrich's book; the 4 is in a square punch recess. Now, that is different! However, the experts need to make the call on origin, and not me...

Regards,
Don_

[Jordan Wills]

Hello,
I believe Steiner and Luck had a few different marks when marking there pins and the square 4 is the most common.
I believe that this EK1 is a original example with a not so common mark.
What do the experts think??
Thanks,
Jordan