What is the opinion of this group about the Manion's grouping posted above?
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At least the KC is a fake, propably the rest of the stuff also.Originally posted by mott5ranch
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O&S and KC authenticated by Thomas Hoff??
Don't know anything about uniforms etc, but the most expensive parts of this auction have already been discussed in some other threads....
They are not very convincing at all....
benComment
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I disagree. This is some great re-enactor gear.Comment
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Typo
In that case it must be a typo in the price:
$ 357.00 instead of 35700.00..
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Value
IMHO if this unifrom were an authentic GFM attributed piece it could easily sell for $30,000 - $35,000 on its own. The RK and Swords would also bring about $35,000 - $40,000 as a set.
That alone should say a lot about the group.
Rich MoranComment
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Bump....
24141, whoever you may be, I thank you for posting the pictures and welcome you to the forum. You get used to getting beat up from time to time. Nobody really gets hurt, for the most part.
I have never handled any original diamonds set, so I can only go on what I see in books such as Gordon's and Steve Previtera's and several excellent predecessors. Based on the photos in those books, I cannot find one example pictured that exactly matches yours. If you look at the reverse, the shape of the curvature of the outside edges of the leaves is clearly defined by the raised ridge along the edges of the back plate. The curvature of the bottom leaves on both sides does not match the Klein pieces pictured in Gordon's book, nor any others that I have seen photos of. Perhaps I have not checked all of the sources completely. On the other hand, the pictures posted by Gary of the item sold on Ebay seems to be an exact match for yours. This may not be conclusive, but you have to admit that it is a bad sign.
The document you have showing the provenance is impressive, but is there a possibility that this document may have been separated at some point in time from the oakleaves & diamonds that it originally came with? If there is a gap in the ownership history, that can be a problem.
I certainly wouldn't want to pronounce such a valuable item as a fake if there was a possibility that I might be wrong. Ultimately, you alone have to make the decision as to whether you are satisfied with it. You may end up owning it for a long time.
Tim"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!" - President Merkin MuffleyComment
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Just as a matter of interest, what was the quality of display copy's of say, oaks and diamonds, for shop windows during the war?
AllanLooking for information on RKT KARL HUBER
Stoßtruppführer AufKlAbt 20 (mot.)
'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it'Comment
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Tim, I posted real ones. 1st type Godet with diamonds from Tiffany R. Godet.Originally posted by Tamerlane
Kurt posted the ebay photos that matched 2,4,6,8.
No big deal . . .Comment
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There is no way the name on the tailor tag is Kleist. It's something else, but not Kleist. Maybe the tailor wrote his own name in it??Originally posted by mott5ranch
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Sorry, I was actually looking at the ones Dave Kane posted. I got sort of confused scrolling through all the pages here.Originally posted by mott5ranch
Tim"Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!" - President Merkin MuffleyComment
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. . that's what I said. . . .Comment
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Hi all
As is alreadt stated it would be interesting to view in this discussion, the history of this award. I am learing very quickly from you all have debated and discussed and agree that the facts and information need to be posted on the forum, where the award came from? whom the award was awarded to etc. I am by no means about to question the award but also believe that 241 needs to provide scientific evidance of the history and life of this award. However I do not think it necessary that they need to give there indentity it is not the person in question but the award and that the discussion should be left for the forum about the "award" and not the owner. I am as keen to learn as the next person but also feel that if people can not go into this with open eyes then there opinion is already tainted. In this discussion I believe that personal opinions do not count and all opinions should be factual based and that the 241 should be given the chance to prove his award as I am sure the forum is asking, if 241 can not then provide the relavent information about the award then I feel that his preperation to discuss such a matter is fool hardy from the start. " This is just my outside oponion, so please do not be offended as I find this very interesting".Comment
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on 01.01.45 only one was awarded to Oberst Hans Ulrich Rudel, Kommodore of "Schlacht-Geschwader 2 Immelmann"Originally posted by 24141
I recently acquired this piece and would be grateful for all and any comments on its authenticity (or not)
http://www.secondarie.eclipse.co.uk/...nt_smaller.jpg
Thanks 24141
and only 6 from 12 were actually produced
it should be 18 karat gold !!Comment
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Five digits,
Where did you procure this set of OS&D from?
Can you post working links?Comment
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