4 EK II's. No MM.

[Douglas 5]

Enclave has the right idea , only the execution is not that good - cross line up and scale size . Well Bernie ... at that scale it is hard to tell if the Swastikas are the same at all . Actualy hard to tell on those 4 crosses ... I would like to point out the measuring point has great importance . As questioned about variations amongst makers the answer is yes !! The differences can be small but more often are quit noticeable . As you will notice from post 10 - I lined up the top surface arm points as the side flange flare is different on all three . The depth of the strike and flare can change ... but the top surface does not . And on the cut together picture the different bead size/positioning is quit evident .
With the existing quality controll these 'improper assembled ' crosses are hard to find . Why some still got through .. I wonder myself .
The first picture shows the same F Zimmermann frame ... left the regular size Swastika with untouched corners and to the right the larger Swastika with the filed down corners to make it fit ! What one cannot see ... is that the right cross much thicker than the regular left one !
The second picture show an EK1 on the top right with shiny core paint with same strange corner that is sitting ontop of the Swastika . This one is a 3 flaw frame Juncker EK1 . Top left is a size reduced U'bergrosse EK2 - .. these both have the same size Swastika and below the top 2 is a normal size Swastika Juncker EK2 - but with the same 3-flaw frame .

Douglas

Douglas

[Enclave]

Well, I am glad if this discussion is useful. I can make more photos, just point out, which crosses should I compare?
And what do you mean by "thickness"? For mi thickness is like a edge of the coin...

[Douglas 5]

Enclave : In your case take crosses 1 and 4 as shown at the start .
If you have mesuring calipers measure the diagonal top points and see if they are different . If not then another way is possible but will take some time . The example I hapen to have on hand right now is the F Zimmerman one .
Top picture one : take a good horizontal picture of both crosses together after lining up a common point on both = lower top point on the Swastika bottom arm .
Picture 2 : When using a Windows OP you will have a paint shop ( Mac may have something simular , don't know for sure .) Open taken picture in paint shop and run a fine line between the 2 lined up same points . More than one picture or attempt probably will be required... a ruler helps .

Douglas

[Douglas 5]

These lines of paint shop will be straight and horizontal .

[Douglas 5]

Using this method is tricky and as you can see this core is a bit low still .
The beading on this early cross is solid and not hollow as the left one , which would have a bit of give to it as this here will not .

Douglas

[Douglas 5]

Now in regards to the thickness . Yes - the side view . I am guessing all 4 of yours are the same thickness .
In contrast the 2 Fritz Zimmermann are not !! Here is that thick F Zimmermann side view to a thick R3 . Both are the same thickness .

Douglas

[Douglas 5]

The picture with the 2 F Zimmermann crosses did not turn out well but the R3 3 being the same thickness will demonstrates the same difference .

Douglas

[Enclave]

I am busy, so I made some photos, I hope they help. If not, I am sorry.

[Douglas 5]

Thanks for the pictures : The right SwastiKa appears to be a bit larger .
They do reveal two important things : The frames are the same on both . And at the same time the right one ( without ribbon) has a broken open frame . It looks like it goes probably 2/3s around . This could indicate the frame halfs might have been opened and the core exchanged ????

Douglas