Schickle RK on Regimentals

[Leroy]

... (But if I had to make a conclusion based on what I've seen so far, I'd say that it was a copy.)

I'm not sure I'd go that far, based on other copy RK's seen in the past, but certainly the photos aren't enough to know what it really is. One more look:

[Rich G]

Richard - I believe that the wartime Schickles are noted to have neusilber frames, while 1957 versions have been noted with the 835 silver content. I don't think anything is "proven" yet, finally and definitively, about these crosses, nor has the full story of Schickle-attributed crosses been established.

George - What do you think about what you are seeing? A copy? A variant? More photos needed to judge?

I consider them post war based on circumstantial evidence. And based on the different core and different finish. But I might be wrong. However, nobody should forget that Schickle didn't produce a lot and did not have a lot of time. And the "835" compared to "800".

OK thanks, that's what I had thought. Pity though because there are very few pieces that I have seen with 835 silver... one is the spanish cross in silver with swords (marked 835 on the reverse) and this type of RK.

What is interesting is that the SC is attributed to Deumer and now there is speculation around these RK's and if they have a connection to Deumer.

But if the 835 marked RK's are post war then perhaps it's purely a coincidence...unless the post-war RK's marked 835 were made by Deumer...


Rich

[Leroy]

Interesting linkage there, Richard.

Can anyone else think of another wartime decoration marked '835'?

By the way, getting back to the actual cross which started this thread, has anyone seen a fake of a Schickle like this before?

[ekhunter]

Interesting linkage there, Richard.

Can anyone else think of another wartime decoration marked '835'?

By the way, getting back to the actual cross which started this thread, has anyone seen a fake of a Schickle like this before?

No, and no. Interesting that the finish on this cross is similiar to the finish on my 57 Schickle RK. I 'm still a little confused, is the consensus, a 'new' fake, or a post war copy made by Schickle?

[Leroy]

Bringing this back up to the top because Dietrich has now confirmed that this cross is a real Schickle, with highly unusual, but 100% real, Godet Oakleaves without either the '21' or 'L/50 - SiLBER' stamps, and having more of an S&L style loop than a Godet loop.

for Dietrich.

[Rich G]

What are you talking about? That cross is not a Schickle.

How's that humble pie going down?

[Ludwig]

How's that humble pie going down?

Ops, sorry! I didn´t know you were so easily offended. It wasn´t my intention to hurt anyone.

[Leroy]

Just an interesting comparison: The cross from this thread (and also see http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...light=schickle) now identified as a Schickle, and a photo from Gordon Williamson of a cross with Oakleaves on a Deumer card (now in the Shropshire Light Infantry Museum), also thought, because of its flattened ring and date style, to be a Schickle. In combination with the possibilities raised in another recent thread (http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=479018) it would appear that S&L may not have been the only RK maker in Ludenscheid at all.