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    #16
    The 3 refered to in general terms : .... only as it is very un- proportioned with this crushed top . The round 3 core was replaced with a " un-appealing' 3 . Looking at the 3s of other makers it close to a 50 50 ration - regards the top and bottop .

    Douglas

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      #17
      Originally posted by Douglas 5 View Post
      The 3 refered to in general terms : .... only as it is very un- proportioned with this crushed top . The round 3 core was replaced with a " un-appealing' 3 . Looking at the 3s of other makers it close to a 50 50 ration - regards the top and bottop .
      Douglas
      Hi Douglas,

      Thank you for the speedy reply.

      In my opinion, the crosses in Grüni's photo have nothing in common other than a vague similarity of design... so I think it is a mistake to say that the R-3 core was "replaced."

      The maker of the Schinkel-B chose a R-3 core, while the maker of the "Ugly" cross chose a "flat-top 3" core.

      Best regards,
      Streptile

      Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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        #18
        As much I remember from that thread - both of those had the same frame die ... just a different core ?

        Douglas

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          #19
          Hi Douglas,

          HERE is that thread. I think the frames are very clearly different, and I believe Daniel's point was that they share a certain aesthetic similarity, not a frame die.

          As a side note, I totally object to the name "Schinkel-B". I really hope that those writing the upcoming book on EK2s will find a better name for the cross (hint, hint ).
          Last edited by streptile; 07-12-2010, 10:34 AM. Reason: abbreviated to keep on topic
          Best regards,
          Streptile

          Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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            #20
            Originally posted by streptile View Post
            I really hope that those writing the upcoming book on EK2s.
            As a matter of interest (and hopefully George or Dietrich can answer) - will the 'ugly' cross be featured in the upcoming EK2 book?

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              #21
              Trevor : The only porpose of the picture was just to show the core in another frame . A new name for the 'Schinkel B' will be hard to get used too .
              Any one see a sun rise in their area today ?
              Adrian : They cannot give away all their secrets .

              Douglas

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                #22
                Originally posted by Douglas 5 View Post
                Trevor : The only porpose of the picture was just to show the core in another frame.
                As far as I know this core was used only in this frame. Daniel's photo shows (I think) a cross identical to the thread-opener, alongside a Schinkel-B.

                Originally posted by Douglas 5 View Post
                Any one see a sun rise in their area today ?
                I may seem pedantic, but it is important to resolve these questions, insofar as possible, in the thread. People revisit these threads to learn from them. To leave an incorrect statement unchallenged may be seen as an endorsement. If I am wrong, I am extremely happy to admit it, and to learn something new in the process.
                Last edited by streptile; 07-12-2010, 04:52 PM.
                Best regards,
                Streptile

                Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                  #23
                  Originally posted by streptile View Post
                  As far as I know this core was used only in this frame. Daniel's photo shows (I think) a cross identical to the thread-opener, alongside a Schinkel-B.
                  That would be my opinion too Trevor. I can't remember seeing another of this type of core in anything other than this straight(ish) arm frame.

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                    #24
                    I think we have things straight here now .
                    Adrians both crosses 1 and 3 - I assume are identical - hard to see with the frosting .
                    The core in Gru'ni's Schnikel comparison picture is the same as in Adrians 2 crosses .
                    That the frame is the same on all 3 I did not see and was looking at it as a different frame all together . Trevor thinks they are the same 2 posts back , but is not sure ? ...
                    The last post made me think if we are thinking the same way here ... and certainly do not want loose ends here either , which may confuse furture readers . I searched for those pictures I had of this core in question and was not able to find them . Can't say anymore what frame they were in . It was that strange 3 in the date the reason I saved the pictures originaly .
                    The question : Any one see a sunrise in their area today ? .... or even sunset - no differance . A very common exspresion one hears and is used every day by millions . An incorrect 'observation' that has manifested itself in the English language and never could be changed to be correct .
                    A new name to replace the common exspression " Schinkel B " would only involve a few 100 000 collectors . ... and could be done !
                    The phrase should go : ' Any one see the Earth rise or set in their area today ! '
                    Changing that will never happen . What is realy happening ... The sun is stationary and the earth is what moves - rises and sets . I saw you smile

                    Douglas

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