RK for Newbies

[Brian S]

So if the '4' had been incused as described you wouldn't have looked any further? Maybe to a 'newbie' if the seller says it's incised you believe, especially if the picture is not entirely clear, then you move on to more features.

Cheers.

[tony james]

this is the type with the zimmermann/godet shape thats been around for a while
on ebay from latavia or wherever and is somtimes marked L/12.theres one on
ebay about every week and in every case someone throwing money away
on junk.


tony

[Tim Tezer]

So if the '4' had been incused as described you wouldn't have looked any further? Maybe to a 'newbie' if the seller says it's incised you believe, especially if the picture is not entirely clear, then you move on to more features.

Cheers.

I certainly would have looked further before shelling out big bucks! But the wrong hallmark on the item was enough for me to draw my conclusions about it. I'm sure that whoever is faking these is using a variety of markings, so it is well worth looking at all the characteristics. But the bad hallmark and the rather obvious fake wear should be enough to make it clear that this is a lemon.

Tim

[Brian S]

Tim, my intent here was to show exactly that, more than one comparison. I know there is also a fake with a perfectly nice looking incuse '4' floating about.

[Ed Tainton]

Fake KC

There was a discussion about this KC on the other Forum(Militaria) and we all came to the same conclusion. It was a fake. There making them better every day. Be warned .....soon they will have the perfect KC....then what do we do???
Counterfeiting is big business these days in everything.

[ChrisJ]

There was a discussion about this KC on the other Forum(Militaria) and we all came to the same conclusion. It was a fake. There making them better every day. Be warned .....soon they will have the perfect KC....then what do we do???
Counterfeiting is big business these days in everything.

Hi Ed...
Well, its a fake RK...and its nice to see that the "newbies" picked up on this. It goes to show the lengths that a faker must go these days (thanks to the disemination of information that as a group we have in part been instrumental in).
What do we do?.. firstly, keep flagging up the the fakes as they appear and maintain the knowledge pool of known good-un's. Secondly, advise all potential newcomers to buy via a reputable dealer (such as Detlev).
But shouldnt we take a more agressive stance and actively pursue the criminals who use e-bay as a vehicle for their fraud?...

[Tim Tezer]

Tim, my intent here was to show exactly that, more than one comparison. I know there is also a fake with a perfectly nice looking incuse '4' floating about.

Brian - do you have any photos of the fake with the "correct" style of makers mark?

Tim

[Brian S]

Brian - do you have any photos of the fake with the "correct" style of makers mark?

Tim

Someone sent me photos years ago, can't find them now, computer long since shriveled up and died.

BUT, picture of one in Gordon's book!

[Dave Kane]

Tim, 'correct style' of any maker mark can and has ofcourse been reproduced so this in and of itself is not a guarantee...we need to look at the entire piece!

Dave