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    #16
    no idea about the cross but the maker mark is for sure a fake, L/52 never used this kind of markings.



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      #17
      Core is a "Deumer Schinkel" lookalike. Cokebottle pin with the wrong hinge. Wide "Zimmermann style" beading. Never saw a Schinkel like this before, think it's a fake, sorry...

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        #18
        Here's a 1914 mmL/52 C F Zimmermann Screwback made in the TR-era just bought on the E-Stand (Pic belongs to Dogtagman). The frames are Schinkel style and should match the cross in post 1 but it doesn't.
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          #19
          Somewhat convincing from the front, awful from the reverse.
          Best regards,
          Streptile

          Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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            #20
            Originally posted by Steinar View Post
            This is a fake.....
            I agree. And then it 's impossible to have a Schinkel with an LDO maker, this production was abandoned before introduction of LDO list.

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              #21
              Originally posted by fabri-online View Post
              I agree. And then it 's impossible to have a Schinkel with an LDO maker, this production was abandoned before introduction of LDO list.
              Exactly.

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                #22
                Originally posted by fabri-online View Post
                it 's impossible to have a Schinkel with an LDO maker, this production was abandoned before introduction of LDO list.
                Good point. There is an 1870 EK1 which, until today, I wasn't 100% sure about. Some said it may have been a WWI replacement piece, but now I think it's by the same maker/faker who did this Schinkel. Do you guys agree?

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                Was discussed HERE but is no longer for sale.
                Best regards,
                Streptile

                Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                  #23
                  Here's a cross I found in my FAKES file...
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                    #24
                    obv...
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                      #25
                      Comparison:
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                      Best regards,
                      Streptile

                      Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by robert pierce View Post
                        Here's a cross I found in my FAKES file...
                        Looks to be the same maker, Robert.

                        How long have these fakes been around?

                        My comparison montage turned out smaller than I hoped when posted, but examining the crosses close up in the high-res photos leads me to conclude that the 1870 EK1 shown is indeed a fake made by the same people.
                        Best regards,
                        Streptile

                        Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by streptile View Post
                          Looks to be the same maker, Robert.

                          How long have these fakes been around?

                          My comparison montage turned out smaller than I hoped when posted, but examining the crosses close up in the high-res photos leads me to conclude that the 1870 EK1 shown is indeed a fake made by the same people.
                          I have no idea, Trevor.

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                            #28
                            Other than the date the obverse is pretty good! The pin has a decent Deschler, Mayer or early L59 look also. I think the Etui has a good chance, Would like to see it posted in the case and packet forum for discussion.
                            Kevin

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