EK1 "L/19"pls watch out for details!

[schönbeck]

so you mean that the paint on the rim automatically makes it a repaint?
Thats for sure not true in all cases.

[ben bijker]

so you mean that the paint on the rim automatically makes it a repaint?
Thats for sure not true in all cases.

No use trying to talk some sense into this one Daniel.

He is the expert, surrounded by real experts that make look DN like a newbee, and he has made his mind up that this L/19 was repainted.
I mean, anyone can see that, no need to be an expert on crosses ;-)
The 107 he sold to Frank, well, that is a completely different story.
That is not paint on the frame or on the reverse, but protective varnish...
Yeah, right....
Maybe 5tefan can elaborate further on the 107 which was very obviously repainted, and on the Juncker with exchanged pin (by himself, just "forgot" to mention it in the auction...)

;-)


5tefan: if you are looking for respect, give me a reason to show you respect.
In other words: earn it!!
Get down to earth, there are lots of collector around that have forgotten more then you will learn in a lifetime.
Accept that, and don't make a joke of yourself.

If you are looking for an ek-expert grade: work for it.
Don't rely on what other collectors in 5-6 fora write to make up your mind, but study them
Start a discussion: stick to it.
Don't wait until someone draws your conclusion and then put in the final word, it's lame.

[5tefan]

No use trying to talk some sense into this one Daniel.

He is the expert, surrounded by real experts that make look DN like a newbee, and he has made his mind up that this L/19 was repainted.
I mean, anyone can see that, no need to be an expert on crosses ;-)
The 107 he sold to Frank, well, that is a completely different story.
That is not paint on the frame or on the reverse, but protective varnish...
Yeah, right....
Maybe 5tefan can elaborate further on the 107 which was very obviously repainted, and on the Juncker with exchanged pin (by himself, just "forgot" to mention it in the auction...)

;-)


5tefan: if you are looking for respect, give me a reason to show you respect.
In other words: earn it!!
Get down to earth, there are lots of collector around that have forgotten more then you will learn in a lifetime.
Accept that, and don't make a joke of yourself.

If you are looking for an ek-expert grade: work for it.
Don't rely on what other collectors in 5-6 fora write to make up your mind, but study them
Start a discussion: stick to it.
Don't wait until someone draws your conclusion and then put in the final word, it's lame.

There are some analogies between you and a vulture ;-)

Maybe you will find on this link, how ben get a very special friend ;-)

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=350015

[ben bijker]

There are some analogies between you and a vulture ;-)

And again: stick to the facts stefan.
Name-calling and mud-slinging is easy.

Once again I invite you to show your 107 ek1 and to explain the black on the ribbing, the hinge, reverse etc.

I too see some similarities, but I don't want to insult innocent animals ;-)


Nice to see you added this particular link.
I think you picked the wrong one, it says more about you then about me.

I asked you to present and defend your 107 with traces of black on the frame, reverse, hinge etc. but I still haven't seen it.
I invite you to post that link as well, and to tell everyone why this is not a repaint.
Can't be to hard for an expert with a number of expert friends now, can it ???

The only reason I posted in this thread was to defend Frank.
His english is not good enough.
I would have done that regardless who started the thread.

[5tefan]

I have no problem to reopen the EK1 "107" item!
This cross is in my point of view a high level product of Carl Wild!
I put this cross in 5 different Foren and there were no negative statements!

IMO this is a high level cross, sprayed with transparent protective paint!
After many years , it went lightly dark! But as you can see it is not the black core colour!

Now to ben theories, that the cross is repainted!
IMO is wrong! Even if you can find some traces on the back side of protective paint!

If you are not on my opinon, all EK1 L/57 Boerger & Co. must be than repainted! And this is not true!!!

There is no facts from ben, so I'm woundering that he ask for facts!

Attached you will find, the pictures of IMO a not touched EK1 - storred in a box!
It is not a problem to remove the protective paint!
But I'm also not be so stupid to remove it! The cross it like it is, with no rework and in an unbeatable and original condition!

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It is not a reaction to Frank L/19, this cross was bought before he claimed the 107! It is a seperate item! And I'm 100% sure that the concentration of painting rest is not showing old patina or a second paint film of painting after assembly!
But this item is closed for me and I don't won't to recall this item again and again!

To avoid any trouble, I took this cross back, without any requests! And I send on the day, I had received the cross, immediately the money back include postal dues!

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Here are now the pictures of the EK1 "107"

[ben bijker]

Apparently your " IMO " is a fact to you, but here we go:

- Why is the entire ribbed portion of the frame black?
- Why is the rest of the frame not black?
- How do you explain the black on the reverse?

To me it is overspray, and that usually is lighter the the painted parts.

there is also a yellow-brown trace on the lower par of the 9'o clock arm, on the frame.
This is usually caused by cleaning a rusty core before re-painting it

[5tefan]

Apparently your " IMO " is a fact to you, but here we go:

- Why is the entire ribbed portion of the frame black?
- Why is the rest of the frame not black?
- How do you explain the black on the reverse?

To me it is overspray, and that usually is lighter the the painted parts.

there is also a yellow-brown trace on the lower par of the 9'o clock arm, on the frame.
This is usually caused by cleaning a rusty core before re-painting it

See only this picture! It will show, that this cross was not post war repainted! But I think you will not understand this foto!

And the colour on the back is not black colour for the core! I try to remove a little bit at the back of the pin, by wiping with my thumb easely over the pin. My thumb was a little bit dark and the small area was cleaned without any protective film!

[MPP]

I would say exactly this picture shows that its repaint or I am wrong?

[5tefan]

I would say exactly this picture shows that its repaint or I am wrong?

Repaint from the maker after assembly with projectiv paint, thats right ;-)

But not post war repainted, maybe someone can interpret the last picture.