Knight´s Cross "4"

[Brian S]

THE DIE WAS FAILING MISERABLY AND VISIBLY IN NOV 1944.

WhAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?

REPAIR THE DIE!!!

AND AN AWARDED CROSS IN NOV 1944 WAS PRODUCED PRIOR TO 11/44. It didn't pop off the die and land on somebody's chest in 15 minutes. Have to believe earlier.

Now add Glunz...

DIETRICH we're seeing die failure to Glunz's cross.

We're talking die failure to a cross given on...

wait...

take this in people..


24 June 1944 .


Die failure, June, 1944. That's award date, now let's give it a month at least to be produced. May 1944, April 1944...

What? Die failure, in need of repair?

Think people...


A die needed repair fully ONE YEAR BEFORE THE END OF THE WAR.

[Robert T.]

Yes, but he was awarded the RK in AUGUST 1943.
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Robert

[Leroy]

Could someone please take a look at the "Glunz" cross's lower 3 o'clock arm and see if that is a "dent row" of some sort, partially obscured by the frosting? I also tend to believe, with Robert T, that this cross looks like a flawed "A", but those marks on the lower arm do not appear to be raised "beading flaws", but rather indented "dents".
Thanks,
Leroy

P.S. In the next couple of days, I will try to post photos of 3 S&L crosses believed to have been assembled/made postwar. I will simply note, without comment, the features I see and try to photograph those.

[Brian S]

Somthing is going on there for sure Ludwig. Need a better photo, but those could be the original dents in the row. And if so, much more defined in the 'beginning'.

[Bob Hritz]

Of course, you have to either believe or disbelieve that the RK with Oak Leaves actually belonged to Glunz. How could the word of any auction house be taken seriously?

Bob Hritz

[Leroy]

Bob,
Absolutely right! That's why I want to look at the cross first, then the story.
Best,
Leroy

[Sal Williams]

Thanks Leroy for the summary. It was well done.

Best, Sal

[Brian S]

Apparently the guy signed cards with that cross on a postcard during autograph sessions...

Seems odd to have the same cross as the one on the card, a period S&L and have it photographed as his, sign it, but it's not his?

[Dietrich Maerz]

I honestly don't know anymore who supplied the cross with the flaws to me... it was nearly 5 years ago and several Window crashes/ computer rebuilds and so on ago.

Erich Hartmann got his micro 800 A-Type in Oct. 43 and his cross has no flaws at all. However, I don't know when it was stamped.

[mdj]

Bob,
Absolutely right! That's why I want to look at the cross first, then the story.
Best,
Leroy

absolutely wrong!

This has nothing to do with stories.

The cross (and other medals) shown in the auction is actually the KC which belonged to Addi Glunz.

The picture (not many or none exists) was handsinged in person by Glunz and given to a forum member who personally knew him and his wife very, very well. So well, that the got his oaks (not the Godet one but the one which is visible on the portrait)...

No stories but facts !!

Martin

[Brian S]

All this fits the discussion... Heavy demand for RKs for the final 1 1/2 years from S&L puts demands on a visibly failing die.

Die is repaired WARTIME.

Why? The FLAWS ARE TOO VISIBLE, now unsightly, S&L would have welded the die as best they could to preserve the integrity of their product.

[Leroy]

mdj-

Please understand that I am NOT attacking the story. All I am saying
(in a discussion about cross development) is that the cross should be looked at for details. The story is secondary (NOT labelled untrue... just secondary) AT THIS POINT. This may be, and probably is, Glunz's cross and I am not saying that it isn't, at all.
Best,
Leroy

[Brian S]

I disagree Leroy. The story is primary to this thread. Entirely.

The cross is real, made when, that the primary relevance here.

[Leroy]

Brian,
I guess I have stated this all badly. I just want to establish first what these flaws really are (is that really a "dent row"?)and THEN "plug in" the story for the award date, so we can connect the flaws and award date. That's all.
Best,
Leroy

[Dave Kane]

..........Spring / summer of '44 doesn't seem unreasonable for a Cross like this! We must remember that many received a 2nd Knight's Cross while being awarded the Oaks and higher.

Regarding the flawing in the lower 3oc arm, I don't see it as resembling the 'dent row' as we know it.