Hi guys, this is a very nice one. Was thought to be made by #20 C F Zimmermann but never proved. Got a dark grey oxidation, maybe the last stage of "rainbow color oxide"? Extremly well manufactured with a slightly rattling core. A early die strike, both core and frames. It has a very characteristic die flaw on the upper corner 3 o' clock arm that looks like a G or a hole. Weighs 22.4 g, heaviest standard one i saw, exept for Deschler. Weirdest thing about it is a mark on the inside of the bandring that looks a lot like a N or Z. Ring is well preserved, no other wearmarks. My best guess is that it's a mark from a tool that was holding the ring when soldered. Do not know if a tool was needed for that? Core paint is of a semi matte type, not as matte as K&Q but close, looks very good. Jumpring is very tight, not much room for the thick bandring to move around. Would like to know what you think of the weird mark, heavy weight, the strange looking oxide and what material the frames can be made of? If you got a cross like this please post it here. Only pic so far is this one, will get more tomorrow.
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Hi Fabri, this thread explains it in a way, where the theory originated from i do not know but think Robert Pierce does. The EKII he shows is a dead match to mine.
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=348798Comment
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Hi
I have a nice EK2 manufactured by F. Zimmerman
, but the weight is different from yours
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If I'm not mistaken, you're referring to a different Zimmerman. Fritz Zimmermann of Stuttgart used mark "6", while Carl is referring to C F Zimmerman of Pforzheim, who used mark "20," but apparently not on EK2s -- if indeed there are any C F Zimmerman EK2s, an open question at this point to the best of my knowledge.Originally posted by nsdap79 View PostHi
I have a nice EK2 manufactured by F. Zimmerman, but the weight is different from yours
Carl, I'm really looking forward to more photos of that cross!
TrevorBest regards,
Streptile
Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)Comment
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It looks a lot like a Zimmermann "6"Comment
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Hi Carl,Originally posted by Roglebk View Post
thank you very much to link this very interesting thread !
I have an idea about that theory: your cross has frame corners that appears the same I see in EKI "20" or "L/50". Now I want to recount what happenad some weeks ago at Stuttgart Show: I have find an EKII mint m.m. 21 with bent double ribbon inside a fine LDO case marked L/52. Well, I don't know if it means something interesting, may be a case.. but really not so common to find a Godet cross and more difficult to find it inside a LDO case. Bah..
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Hello everyone,Originally posted by Roglebk View Post
Yes, I posted this type cross months ago for identification. It was the opinion of some of our senior members that it possibly could be a CF Zimmermann. With the advent of the core pieces salvaged from the Zimmermann fire, and the thread pertaining to just that, I have my doubts to this cross being what we thought could be the illusive CF Zimmermann. So, I hold onto mine and look for more clues as to who its maker really was. They're a well made cross, and I don't see anything which suggests postwar production.Comment
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Hello Robert,
so it is really a theory only without certainty..
it would be good also to know very well the Zimmermann/Godet partnership about EKI and if existed for EKII also.. I think EKI L/50 was manufactured by Zimmermann for Godet but it's my idea also. What is your idea ?Comment
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There have been many theories along this line. As for me, I don't know, and can only guess. One thing I do know with certainty, the crosses (both Godet and Zimmermann) are identical.Originally posted by fabri-online View PostComment
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Fabri, you really have to show us the Godet EKII inside the L/52 marked LDO-case! I think the "C F Z burned lot core" is a Godet, it matches Godet EKII cores perfectly. That there is a connection between the 2 makers i have no doubts about.
Robert, as my theory above puts the "CFZ burned lot core" in Godets house i firmly believe our unknown crosses were made by C F Zimmermann. It is of course just a theory, but the good likeness to a #20 RK and the very nice manufacture i see not many other makers that could have made those, only other possibility imo is that it is a early Godet. Is there known unmarked Godet EKII's out there?Comment
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Swaz and inner corner beadingComment
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The mark of Zorro. Probably just a tool mark but it's deep and well defined.Comment
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1939, different lightingComment
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