maker identification help

[Das Reich]

hi guys.

can anyone help identifying these? this is the first one.

[Das Reich]

and a closer look

[Das Reich]

and second

[Das Reich]

closer look. could either of them be attributed to wilhelm deumer?

[Robert P.]

No, neither are Deumers. The second EK is a Souval framed cross. The first I am still studying.

edit: I think the first is a '13' with the swasi on a platform. I could be mistaken on this one.

Robert

[Das Reich]

thanks.

[Robert P.]

A good closeup shot of the center of the first cross would give us what we need for absolute identification.

Robert