Maybe ... a marked '109' EKII

[Robert P.]

I just received this EKII from an e-stand sale, and have to say I am thrilled to finally find this cross with a makers mark on the ring. I have many of these crosses I have bought from Detlev over the years, which he calls a 'typical Juncker type.' All of the examples I have display a brass jump ring, very pronounced cross-hatching of the beading near the swasi and on the outside corners, and the 'humped' frame. I have read somewhere on the forum that the '109' had the hump on the frame. I do not remember where I read this, but I took note of this and wrote it in my EKII journal. Many '109's have been posted on the forum with packets, even by me, but have never had the ring marked as a '109'. This photo of the ring stamp is very lopsided, the '9' being very heavy, and the '0' moderate. Could there have been a '1' to the left of the '0'? Turned upside down it appears to be '60'. We know that the maker '60' did not design his cross frames with a hump. Could this be the real thing, a real '109'? Have see....

Here is a link to a marked '60' EKII: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...4&highlight=60

And here's a link to a '66' EKII: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...7&highlight=66

Robert

[Robert P.]

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[meriksson]

Robert that Ek is a match to my L/12 if i compare the rim!
Mikael

[Robert P.]

Robert that Ek is a match to my L/12 if i compare the rim!
Mikael

Mikael, could you please post a photo?

Robert

[meriksson]

It´s dark here now but the same L/12 as i have you can find in other post´s, i will see what i can make now or tomorrow.
Mikael

Mikael, could you please post a photo?

Robert

[Robert P.]

Mikael,

I'd really like to see your cross to compare. Thanks.

Here's a '2' marked EKII, which is obviously the same as your L/12. It is of a different frame. Look closely. The 2:00 beading next to the swasi is the only corner that has the cross-hatching.

Robert

[meriksson]

Just to get some more to look at this, here comes a Bigg Imo.
My L/12 ek2 is a fake and the rest also, also imo many W&L EK2´s. As they are made whit same tool, just alterd to get the criss cross on the L/12. Dont no wy
but this has been in my mind for some time now
Mikael

[meriksson]

That 2 Robert is not like the L/12´s!
Mikael

[roenk]

Here is my EK2 marked by '2'

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=193940

Regards!
Laci

[meriksson]

I cant take a nice close shot right now, so i did use Frankies pic from the tread above. My L/12 is exacktly the same, and i must say exacktly like Roberts 60 or what it is?
Mikael

[Robert P.]

And these crosses as above are a different cross than the '100' W&L. The W&L has no cross-hatching on either the inside corners or the outside corners, although it does have a design flaw in the beading at about 2:00 from the swasi - but it's a different looking flaw under magnification. This really has me puzzled. If this L/12 has the same frame as this cross of mine in the opening page, then these manufacturers were supplying each other with their frames, etc. Detlev was right when he said they were of the 'Juncker type.' So the maker of my stamped cross had supplies given to them by Jucker, or Juncker got their supplies from the maker of my cross. Anyone have any concrete evidence to solve this? I joined in late on this thread - my computer didn't pick up all of the updates to the thread. I'll go back and come up to speed on every post from everyone.

Mikael, please post a photo of your L/12. It would add a lot to this thread.

Robert

[LuckyLuudje]

Robert,

Very interesting cross.
I will throw mine 2 unmarked crosses in that both came with the same packet.
The left cross is identical as yours marked ?09.
Til I saw your cross I believed that the cross couldn't belong to the bag because I always thought it was either a W&L or a Juncker.


Best regards,
Luud

[LuckyLuudje]

Here is for example my EK1 why I thought that Juncker als stamped the same cross.

[LuckyLuudje]

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