Greetings to all the collectors out there. This is my first post. I collect relic condition and "dug" Iron Crosses and have gotten a few good ones; notably from the Channel Islands and Poland. The latest ones that I got from Poland have a type of ring attachment that I have never seen before: The top arm of the frame has a small half circle of metal in the middle to which the smaller ring is attached. It is at the top edge of the frame and not down by the beading. There are no marks on the ring. Are these late war? Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks, Ausgang
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Hi Ausgang & Welcome!
Any chance of some pictures... these sound interesting! It sounds like your cross has what is called a 'hump' under the jumpring. A few manufacturers used this feature including: Deschler & S******246;hne (1), Wachtler & Lange (100), Some Steinhauer & Lueck (4), Juncker (2)???. I can't remember off hand any others.
Hope this helps!
Regards - DannyLast edited by Danny70; 02-01-2007, 05:09 AM. -
First off, welcome to the forum!Originally posted by AUSGANG View Post
Great place to learn and spend a few minutes (hours
) a day.
Second, the statement above always sends a shiver down our spines. EK2's, while be produced by any number of manufacturers, are pretty basically the same. Any major difference like that described sounds very "iffy".
If you can't post pics, send them to me. I'll p.m. my e-mail address to you, and then post.
best
HankUnless it was nighttime, or the weather was bad, and you were running out of gas - then it was a sweaty nightmare, like a monkey f*ing a skunk.
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love to see some pics.
any dug EK1s? they seem harder to find than EK2s, even though you'd think the opposite on the battlefield
regards
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That does seem odd. You would think that since very few German soldiers wore the actual EK2 on the battlefield, instead just wearing the ribbon through the 2nd buttonhole, that you wouldn't find very many of them. On the other hand, you have to remember that tons of them were awarded, many more than the EK1. Meanwhile, with the EK1, obviously, you have to wear the whole award if it is worn in the field.Originally posted by tinmantis View Post
I just said what everyone was thinking, didn't I.
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Photo Of Polish Relic Iron Cross
Wow! Thanks to all of you who replied! Here's one of the Polish ones I just picked up. I see no reason for anyone to fake these since they sell so cheap and the market is almost nil. This one has a bit of frame separation from the expansion caused by rust on the core. Thanks for the info on the possible manufacturer. You're right, this is a good way to spend even more time on these EK2s. That photo of all those relic EKs is making me sweat! Any idea where they are from?Comment
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Asugang,
Don't be fooled as ground dug crosses and badges are faked.
ChetZinc stinks!Comment
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It is the newest trend in fakers I should say.
They can get away with a very cheap copy costing say 2 to 5$ a pop and sell them as 'ground-dug' for 15$ to whatever they can get.
They are also used to sucker tourists into paying $$ to dig in fields. Plant a few of these (and other ) they can make a tidy profit when Mr Bloggins goes home and says he found an Iron-cross.
By the way the second one down the first column looks like it has been heat aged btw
I would have to agree the a ICII as a field loss would be quite rare compared to a ICI as I have never seen a pic of any solider near the field with a ICII. Just the ribbon.
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Here you go Ausgang (is that your name?). No i do not recall were they was found. Nedless to say wargraves should never be looted for medals. Here is the reverse of the same lot.
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Relics
Thanks for the information. What I'm interested in here is the hump on the top of the frame that attaches to the jump ring. I've never seen such a way of attaching the ring. What's even more strange is the way the jump ring is manufactured.Comment
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Hello Ausgang,
As Danny mentioned in his reply, there were a few makers that manufactured EKs with this style of attaching the jump ring. If you go to the index of EKs from the homepage and look up the makers that Danny has listed you will see examples with the 'hump'. I can't be 100% sure but I would take a good guess that yours might be a W&L '100'.Comment
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Peter, that collection is awesome, yours?
They all seem authentic... I think I'll try digging there too
regards
jonComment
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Another relic from Poland
This one has a slightly smaller frame than the others. Notice that the rust is black, possibly the original paint is somehow oxidized into the rust.Comment
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