39'EK2 Rarity Stats vs Makers list!!!

[schinkel2]

Just a thought while I was looking through the Waf.
If you look at the 39 EK2 Rarity stat thread and compare the crosses that people have with the Makers list, a few things don't tally up!
Firstly if you take the makers list there is a 33, but no one has one, on here at least, which i find a bit strange considering how many crosses were made.
Second if you look at the rarity stats there are a few makers that only have one or two entries by there number, for example 103 only 2 entries and if my memory serves me correctly 103 is not a recognised maker!
And there is only two 49's and this is a known fake marking from Floch so might this maker not exist either!
Its only a thought that I have come up with but I just find it hard to believe that guys on the forum only have a handfull of crosses from certain makers when makers like KQ, 65 are all over the place.
Heres a list of what i mean from the rarity stat thread,
Number Quantity post by Waf members
5 1
8 1
14 1
39 1
49 2
60 1
66 2
70 1
85 1
92 1
103 2
116 1
126 2
and so on, i think you get the idea!
Any thoughts guys?
Dan

[schinkel2]

No one got an views, ideas as to why?

[Hank C.]

I seem to recall that there are good 49s, but they are hard to find. I don't remember reading that they have all been deemed fake yet.

But maybe I missed something...

Hank

[Van]

I noticed that too in a way, I have an EK2 with packet, the packet is marked for this maker "Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Graveur-Gold-und", the cross and packet are original with eachother.
Maker mark # would be 25, from all the posts I have gone back on here and read, you can basically count the 25's on one hand. Like you said, it makes you wonder what has happend to all the EK2's...one possible explanation is that Most 25's might not have been MMked, same with the 33's???
Just a thought.
Van

[RICK S]

EK2 Rarity stats vs maker marked

Hi
I have one of those 49's and it looks just like the on posted in the Iron Cross section on this forum. I have not heard of any 49 Fosh out in the market. Can anyone post a pic of one. Secondly the number of iron crosses posted seems. to be only a fraction of what is really in the hands of the collector. When I look at Antti's stats and look how many different member names I see posting what they have it appears to be only a small number of participants posting.

any thoughts on this ?
Rick Schmid

[schinkel2]

Hi
I have one of those 49's and it looks just like the on posted in the Iron Cross section on this forum. I have not heard of any 49 Fosh out in the market. Can anyone post a pic of one. Secondly the number of iron crosses posted seems. to be only a fraction of what is really in the hands of the collector. When I look at Antti's stats and look how many different member names I see posting what they have it appears to be only a small number of participants posting.

any thoughts on this ?
Rick Schmid

I Don't think all 49's are fakes just that it has been known for Floch to stamp some of his with 49! I think there is a pic in the fake section of a 49!
I agree that the guys who have posted there crosses as stats are small percentage but a percentage non the less but it just seems strange that some makers are harder to get than others, I mean L numbered ones you accept but consider the amount of ek2's that were made, I think it was around 4.5 million? it just seems strange that companies should make more than others there for now you can always find a 65 but I've never seen a 33!!!!!
just seems odd to me.
And as for the ones i mentioned earlier like the 103, I though I had a 103 until one day I was looking through my crosses and found it wasn't a 103 but something else and I had miss read it!!, that's what I thinking some of these lower numbered stats have come from.
Or have I just been thinking too much

[Van]

We have to remember too, that a heck of a lot of medals and badges were awarded in the field, and I wonder what number of those were lost during the war when soldiers were killed and never found(mia's) and some of thier medals and badges too.... I mean how many German soldiers died from Germany to Stalingrad in Heavy bombardment, artillary, flat out heavy fighting,,,, tens of thousands??? most not accounted for.....then the Russian looters, and the "fact" that any item bearing the swastika was almost a death setence in russia,,, medals and badges destroyed...
My Father knew an SS officer who, at wars end, took on a russian farmers Identity and live for 17 years as that farmer to excape the russian revenge onslot. He was fluent in russian and english and was an inturptritor per say...
He told my father and I stories of villagers, Russian soldiers who were sumarilly excuted for have in thier possetion any german war artifact for quite some time after the war. He recalled seeing just piles of medals and awards bieng melted down to excape the wrath of "Stalin"... the melted down metal was used to make tools for the most part, some made into house wares( forks, spoons and such)..
(just on a light side), Mr. Zach Whaley taught me how to do the "goose step" lol and to stand at attention in a German line up...
Sadly, his awards were some that were melted down so there were no ties to him. He had taken on a nieghboring farmers widow as his wife and she did all the shopping in town... He eventually fell quite in love with her and married her and was able to in the mid 60's move to the U.S. and became a U.S. citizine...
I had the pleasure of meeting her and thier family, what she told me she made me promise to never tell Mr. Whaley, that she knew from the first day she met him that he was indeed a German soldier for she of couse knew the original farmer, she knew not to what extent, not that he was an SS officer, but she knew he was a German soldier... a soldier that treated her with respect, courtesy and even love.
I moved away from home in the mid 80's and Mr. Whaley died within 2 years of that and I unfortuneatly lost contact with the his wife and family while away.
My mother had stayed in contact with them but by the time I returned home, my mother suffered from demintia and allshimers.....and I was not able to ever locate Mrs. Whaley. AAAnnnyyy way... so a lot of awards were lost do to destrution for fear of bieng cought with them. Sorry again for the ramble and some of the spelling, getting a bit "as some across the pond would say" pissed....lol... I hope I can recall one day, more of the stories that Mr. Whaley told me, some of them were grudgingly sad for him to recall, for he reafirmed how brutal the SS really were.... take care and have a good weekend all....
Van

[RICK S]

39 ek2 stats vs maker marks

Hi:
Here is some intresting data extracted from Antti's EK2 stats. approximately 92 collectors have reported maker marked EK2's with 9 collectors having 20 or more. I think there are a lot of collectors that
are not participating in these stats. Just looking at the size of this forum and its membership number makes me wonder how many marked EK2 are out in the hands of the collector.

Rick S

[George Stimson]

"I have one of those 49's and it looks just like the on posted in the Iron Cross section on this forum."

The "49" in the Iron Cross section is a Floch fake. (It's core and frame characteristics are absolutely identical to the First Class Floch EK.) It just has not been removed from the section yet.

[RICK S]

Ek2's Rarity Stats Vs Maker Marks

Hi:
This one is for George. Just want to make sure we are talking about the
same #49. The one I am referring to is on the Wehrmacht Iron Cross
section. Listed as your collection. If this is correct them it should have been taken off the web site. Is there any others on the site that should come off.
Dimensions for my #49 are H 44.64 ,W 44.60, FLANGE WIDTH 3 O'CLOCK 25.66, THK 4.12mm WGHT 19.20 G

Thanks
Rick Schmid