1st Spange

[Sergey]

Hello all. Tell me Who is the marker of this spange?http://profy14.narod.ru/index.html

[Dez H]

That does not look like an original First Class spange to me.

[Frank Heukemes]

Looks like an almost perfect fake of a Deumer (L/11) spange.
Cheers, Frank

[Calvin Hall]

What? Another fake?

[Sergey]

Hello.
But can anybody show the images of original bar of this type? What wrong in this bar?

[Sergey]

?????

But what is this? I found the topic about the same bar and a lot of mambers think that it is original! And Frank too! Hey Frank do you change you opinion?http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...iron+cross+bar

[Sonderkommando]

Yes Dez and Frank, Please explain!
I would also like to know why you both believe it to be a fake.
There is only one thing that MAY not be right, visible on the back, but I wouldn't rule it out as a fake just yet. Other than that, the maker would be Deumer.

Cheers,
Brett

[Frank Heukemes]

Hi Sergey,

The Deumer spange in that thread you refer to is NOT the SAME as the spange you pictured in THIS thread. So please do not misquote me and other members again like that. I have not changed my opinion since then. The spange that Peter showed in that thread is ok, the spange YOU show us is not ok in my opinion. Do you have that one in your collection?

Cheers, Frank

[Sergey]

HI Frank thank for you answer. At this moment I look at my spange and I must to say that my spange is ABSOLUTLY THE SAME like the spange in old thread (original ). But only mine is without marker mark. All its details and construction are the same like details and construction of the bar, which you called original.

[Frank Heukemes]

Dear Sergey,

That would be like saying your girlfriend is the SAME PERSON as my girlfriend, just because both are women.
With SAME, I mean the SAME item, not the same TYPE. The spange you show looks like a Deumer, that is right, but is still not correct in my opinion.
You cannot use my opinion on one certain item and then transfer it to all other items of this type.

Is that spange you show us in your collection?

Cheers, Frank

[Sergey]

Ok Frank. What Wrang in mine spange? details of the eagle, date, pin or anything else? All details are the same . And how you can see it have the same manufacture defect around eagle"s head. What are you arguments?

[Sergey]

Look at this.....May be I dont understand something?

http://profy10.narod.ru/index.html

[jscott]

http://daggers.infopop.net/2/OpenTop...3&m=8933042986

Here's a link to my spange, hope the link works.

What I've noticed about this makers spange's, the box with the date appears bent downard alittle just above the 9 and 3. I've seen this on a few.

[Frank Heukemes]

Hi Sergey,

Yes, the details are the same because it was formed after an original Deumer spange, which was the master.

But that´s just an opinion -my opinion-, proofs nothing. If you are happy with your spange, so be it. When and where did you get it?

Cheers, Frank

[Dez H]

I too was leaning towards this piece being cast from an original, it lacks some finishing.
I also noticed that the wreath around the swastika does not appear to have the defined veins.
Close but no cigar.