Floch EK1 w/ non-magnetic core?

[Dietrich Maerz]

Calvin,

there's really nothing to beat around. I don't know who made this cross. I can only say with 100% confidence that the frame and the core is not what we know as Floch. The golden color is srtrange, too.

It certainly is an interesting piece but not genuine IMHO. And this is now the 4th variation of an L15 frame I'm aware of..

Dietrich

[schönbeck]

the core, looking more like the base on a KVK, were used on early crosses. I have had one with a stoneproof provenance. I know for sure that Winkler or Weitze also had for sale.

[schönbeck]

and the pics ofcourse

[phild]

These are in fact one piece EKs, at least the 3 or 4 of this variety that I have examined have been. Perhaps you have a variation of a variation, but I think that if you look very carefully that you will see that the frame and the core are one piece.

The Floch golden hue that you cite has nothing to do with these crosses. The golden tone on this crosses is caused by a silver wash that has the brass base metal bleeding thru. I bet that you don't find a seam around the edge.

I do agree that the fine details of the pin and hinge are not exactly like known Flochs, nor is the L15 stamp.

[Darrell]

Is there a documented ORIGINAL "L15" EK1 that Floch copied to make his own?

[Darrell]

Is there a documented ORIGINAL "L15" EK1 that Floch copied to make his own?

I guess this has been brought up before. Frank H shows a Vet L/15 and the same arguments are posted here as well:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=60351

[phild]

Maybe the following observation is old hat, but in my experience a stippled or finely pebbled background on an EK almost always is found on those made from non-ferious metals, intended to be painted and usually of one piece construction. There is no doubt that this method of construction was employed before 1945 on 3rd Reich and earlier EKs.

The facts above do not authenicate the EKs that are the subject of this thread.

I too have wondered if the L15 stamp ( including the actual die or a copy thereof), the pin, hinge and catch (either copies of or left over period components) may have served as part of the inspiration of the FLOCH fakes.

[Darrell]

I too have wondered if the L15 stamp ( including the actual die or a copy thereof), the pin, hinge and catch (either copies of or left over period components) may have served as part of the inspiration of the FLOCH fakes.

It's not just the L15 stamp ... some had the L11 stamp:

[Calvin Hall]

update: The cross shown at the beginning of the thread is in fact ONE PIECE CONSTRUCTION.

[schönbeck]

i just wanted to show that cores like that existed.
A L marked cross like this is a little suspicous since it mainly was used on really early pieces.

[Marc Garlasco]

I have only seen dimpled cores like this in a Schinkel-B EK2
Marc

[FW 200]

Round 3 with the raised swaz uses a stippled or dimpled core.. Charlie