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    #31
    Originally posted by hankmeister
    I'm not in any position to give a value on a real set of diamonds, but you can't put a value on something you can't see. Real pics - of REALLY good quality - would be needed.

    With the pic provided, it's hopeless/useless.

    Hank
    CouldnĀ“t agree more...

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      #32
      I am willing to accept that observation as possible. I can say that it comes directly from the family, and there is another award and signed document and stamps dated WWII for the other one. And numerous other items from this person...I do not believe that the original award winner lived past WWII. (cannot give details, as that information has been asked to remain private, for time being..) Of course there is remote possibility, a family member could have obtained a replacement item, post war? Wish I were free to give more details, but apologize. I expect to be able to give that information in a few weeks, after the shipping and insurance has been completed.
      For sake of argument...Any idea on a post WWII replecement/ value?

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        #33
        Even in the blurred picture posted in #27, it looks like the sword hilts touch the sword blades. Unless the opinions of the currently prevailing 'experts' have deemed otherwise, this is not correct.

        Tony
        An opinion should be the result of thought, not a substitute for it.

        "First ponder, then dare." von Moltke

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          #34
          Don, Hank & Ludwig, Of course you are right, It would be downright "silly" to expect even a ballpark appraisal without a crystal clear photo AND considerably more documentation and information. Almost a "stupid" inquiry. But I was hoping, (perhaps a bit too optimistic) that someone might venture an opinion of it on a "what IF?" basis.. as it really is NOT going to be put up for sale or trade, and just want to cover the immediate question of shipping insurance. Above comments are given with respect to your experiences and in no way meant to be sarcastic. It is hard to tell tone, sometimes in postings, and I did not want you to take it the wrong way..This item is NOT the focus of the collection being shipped, and outside my experience. There was no itemized value for THIS group of items, in the larger collection..
          Thanks for responding.

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            #35
            Well., guys, Thanks for raisng a few flags on this item, it led me to go through all the documents here. (a box full, unsorted!) There IS solid original documentation for the other award and family items in this group, but NOT for this swords and diamonds item. For the insurance information I needed for today, that will be taken into consideration. first rule of collecting.."ASSUME nothing!" There were NO representations made for this item group. having been cased with the other documented material, I broke that rule.

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              #36
              Barnstormer, good call.

              Personally, EVERYBODY here would love to see original diamonds. We are all pulling for you, in the hope you get them. Just most of us have become skeptical even with "solid provenance" Knights Crosses - never mind Oaks, swords, or diamonds - that we just want to wait and see what comes out.

              But I say, for myself to you, with all honesty: GOOD LUCK!!

              Hank
              Unless it was nighttime, or the weather was bad, and you were running out of gas - then it was a sweaty nightmare, like a monkey f*ing a skunk.
              ~ Dan Hampton, Viper Pilot

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                #37
                Hasso von Manteuffel

                For what it is worth.

                It seems like the KC with Diamonds were from Hasso von Manteuffel.

                The soldbuch is currently for sale at Huesken after he has bought it at the Thies auction.

                Best,

                JRA
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                  #38
                  Edited...bum chatter.

                  best,
                  Hank
                  Last edited by hankmeister; 01-16-2007, 09:42 PM. Reason: wrong theme
                  Unless it was nighttime, or the weather was bad, and you were running out of gas - then it was a sweaty nightmare, like a monkey f*ing a skunk.
                  ~ Dan Hampton, Viper Pilot

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                    #39
                    ?

                    Hi Hank,

                    Good be. The soldbuch below the KC with Diamonds is the one from Hasso Von Manteuffel. It is easy to detect now since it is on Hueskens his site.

                    But naturally he could have placed it only for display purposes.

                    best,

                    JRA

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                      #40
                      JRA-
                      You're probably right. Barnstormer entered the thread late, and you're talking about the original post from Frankandfrank. I didn't re-read and get the original idea.

                      My mistake, chattering out of my bum, again.

                      best to ya!
                      Hank
                      Unless it was nighttime, or the weather was bad, and you were running out of gas - then it was a sweaty nightmare, like a monkey f*ing a skunk.
                      ~ Dan Hampton, Viper Pilot

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                        #41
                        :-)

                        Hi Hank,

                        no problem.

                        Best,

                        JRA

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                          #42
                          Is it a real RK and RK oaks/swords & diamonds?

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Maj. Konig View Post
                            Is it a real RK and RK oaks/swords & diamonds?

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by WenRan View Post
                              I was wondering if the above set is real wartime period.

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by Maj. Konig View Post
                                I was wondering if the above set is real wartime period.

                                They are not! They do not show the same characteristics of the real pieces. And they also cannot be von Manteuffels diamonds ...

                                Everybody can do a quick check against the pieces shown in the "Iron Time" and see that the originals lock VERY different.

                                Dietrich
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