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    The Roots of the Iron Cross

    THE ROOTS OF THE IRON CROSS

    In his book “the discovery of the Bismarck” Dr. Ballard writes: “ Lindemann gave the order, the blood red battle ensign shot up the mast and was whipped out by the stiff breeze. In the flag upper left-hand corner was a black Iron Cross. In the center, enclosed in a white circle, was a bold Nazi Swastika. Like the navy that flew it, the ensign was an uneasy compromise between tradition and political reality.” We can also read in the book “Battleship Bismarck” by Von Mullenheim-Rechberg that “the horizontal and vertical stripes and the Iron Cross in the upper left-hand corner are reminiscent of the white ensign flown by the ships of the Imperial German Navy.” So let’s take a look in one of those Symbols, the Iron Cross.
    Through history some heraldic symbols have changed their owners and specially their meaning. A purely lucky symbol in Hindu culture is nowadays the most hated symbol in Western countries: the swastika.
    The six pointed Star of David is the single symbol most commonly associated with Jews and Judaism. However, this star did not arise within Judaism, and until recently, it has had not particularly religious meaning. It was once used by Moslems and Christians (Christians still use it as religious symbol).
    In 1190 a new Christian Religious Military Order was founded in Palestine, the Teutonic Knights of St. Mary’s Hospital of Jerusalem. They were monks and soldiers and they wore a white cloak with a black cross over a white tunic. So the black cross on a white field was born and the stile of the cross was the “Tatzenkreuz” that we can still see all over Germany. Just as the Gothic letter this cross was a German way to draw the cross.
    In 1525 the Teutonic Knight’s Grand Master gave up the order and abandoned his vows. He became the first Duke of Prussia with hereditary transmission, so converting Prussia in a secular principality. Prussian rulers could not put aside the old times of the Teutonic Knights from their memories and they started using the Order’s symbols as Prussian state symbols.
    In 1813 King Friedrich Wilhem III of Prussia established a military award know as “Iron Cross.” The shape and colors of the award were the same as the used by the Teutonic Order Knights. However the final design was made by the well know German arquitec Karl Frederich Schinkel. Since then Prussia officially usurped the cross of the Teutonic Order and its colors, changing its religious and Christian meaning for a state and military meaning.
    As something positive I must say is the fact that the Iron Cross was awarded without regard of nationality or social position class to combatants and noncombatants for act of heroism, contrasting with the Teutonic Order where it can be wear just for nobles knights members of the order and very “important” people.
    “The Nazis motivated by Himmler’s fantasies of reviving German military elite then attended to establish their own “Teutonic Order” as the highest award of the Third Reich. The ten recipients of this included Reinhard Heydrich and several of the most notorious Nazi criminals, needles to say, although this badge was modeled on that of the genuine order, it had absolutely nothing to do in common with it.” (Quote taken from the web site Papal Orders by Guy Stair Sainty)
    “In 1938 the National Socialist regime prohibited the Teutonic Order in Austria and placed its property under the administration of the Third Reich (the Austrian property was restituted by the Republic of Austria in 1947). In 1939 the Teutonic Order was abolished in the Sudetenland (later Czechoslovaquia), its property confiscated and the brothers and sisters expelled from their parishes and convents. This system of confiscation and expulsion was also executed by the Communist government in 1946.
    Both the Teutonic Order and its members suffered severe persecution. Some members paid with their lives for their loyalty to the Order. It is difficult to explain in a few words why this action was taken against the order. Suffice is to say that the reasons for the ban included the order’s principle such as the vow “to defend the Christian faith against all enemies of Christendom and the church,” and the pledge of “unconditional loyalty to the Pope.” ANOTHER REASON WAS THE FACT THAT - NATURILLY AGAINST THE WILL OF THE ORDER – THE NATIONAL SOCIALIST MISUSED SOME ELEMENTS OF ITS PAST FOR THE DISTORDED VERTION OF HISTORY THEY EMPLOYED IN THEIR PROPAGANDA. THERE WAS NOTHING THAT THE PROHIBITED AND PERSECUTED ORDER COULD DO TO PREVENT THIS USURPATION, AND EVEN TODAY IT IS SOMETIMES COMPELLED TO PROTES AGAINST THIS MISINTERPRETATION OF ITS SYMBOLS (e.g. THE 800 YEARS OLD CROSS), AND THE FALSIFICATION OF ASPECTS OF ITS HISTORY.” (taken from the Teutonic Knights Official Web Site, my capital letters).
    Nowadays the Star of David, the Crescent and the Cross once purely religious symbols have became also symbols of state. How many Europeans flags have the cross on them? I think the black “Tatzenkreuz” cross on a white field (the Iron Cross), can be used for both the Teutonic Order (today they use a Latin black cross on a white field and the order is purely religious one without the military aspect), as a religious symbol and the Federal Republic of Germany as a state symbol in its Armed Forces because now that cross has history and tradition for both of them (the German Armed Forces and the Teutonic Religious Order).
    It is a pity that the Nazis used it (However, they did not use it as a party symbol but as a German symbol stained with the party’s symbol that in that time had become also a national symbol: the Swastika), and now some Neo-Nazi are using or trying to use it and even the Imperial Flag as their symbols (I suppose it is due to the fact that the Swastika is a banned and too obvious Nazi symbol in the West). I really believe and encourage the German government and the Teutonic Order should and to do something to stop those neo-Nazi groups (all over the world), from using the Iron Cross. It (the Iron Cross), should be clean and put in the high position in deserves; the position that a state, Germany, and a religious order, Teutonic Knights, gave to it.

    Greetings

    #2
    vERY GOOD ARTICLE, I HAVE A QUESTION WHY THE GERMAN GOVERMENT STOPED TO USE THE IRON CROSS LIKE A ORDER, I KNOW THE BAD USE OF THE NEONAZIS, BUT THEY HAD MADE THE 1957 OFFICIAL VERSION, WHY THEY DONT CONTINUED USING THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THE IRON CROSS IS A PART OF THE GERMAN IDENTITY, WHY THE GERMAN GOVERMENT DONT CREATE SOME LAWS TO RE-ESTABLISH THE ORDER, AND CLEAN HIS NAME???

    CORDIAL GREETINGS

    MERRY CHRISTMAS

    CARLOS

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      #3
      As far as I know, Germany must be at war and the order of the Iron Cross must be re-established by the current leader (as Adolf did in 1939). The 1957 issue was purely a replacement so as to enable veterans to wear their hard-earned medals without displaying the offensive swastika.

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        #4
        The above mentioned is correct. Germany has to be at war to reinstitute the IC.

        They talked about it with their involment in former Jugoslavia, but they wrer not at war, but on a peace keeping mission.

        Best regards

        Flemming

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          #5
          ooo i stand now, , for example if germany participate in the irak inavsion the chauncellor can establish the iron cross again??, good
          thanks guys always i know something new...



          Carlos

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            #6
            I'm sorry, but to state "its a pity that the Nazis used it"-is simplistic in extremis.
            What else would they have done?-it would have to have been used for their medals, how could they therefore cast aside the iron cross, a German tribute to bravery in the field, and incorporated into their Battle Flag.

            That Neo Nazis today would adopt it as a symbol of German Nationalism is of little wonder.

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              #7
              Yes, when I said that "it is pity that the Naziz used it" I did not want to mean the award itsef. What I wanted to say is that they put the Nazi emblem on it (the swastika), I now most of the people link it (the iron cross), just to that period of time and idiology (and the atrocities done for some Nazis).
              Well, the Neo Nazis may have the right to use it as a symbol of German Nationalism, however they are not the only Germans, and as a national symbol (to the whole nation), they should stop using it because they do not represent the whole nation or German People.

              Greatings and Merry Christmas to all.

              Edgar

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                #8
                Originally posted by TerryG
                As far as I know, Germany must be at war and the order of the Iron Cross must be re-established by the current leader (as Adolf did in 1939). The 1957 issue was purely a replacement so as to enable veterans to wear their hard-earned medals without displaying the offensive swastika.
                Yes, you are right.

                Merry Christmas

                Edgar

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                  #9
                  From what I have understood is that the past reign of Schroder, a man who beat a police officer during a protest in the 1960's, was firmly of the party who wanted to get rid of all the past for Germany. BBC ran a program a while back about the desire for Schroder and his party to basicaly force Germany to 'forget' the past. How quaint. Today, it seems that a majority of Germany and even Europe wants to forget about all the past history and go blindly into the future. Even if Germany would have gone to war in Iraq, I would have fell over dead if the German government insittuted the Iron Cross again. See why we need to preserve the past, becasue no one wants to remember it....

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Edgar Estrada
                    Yes, when I said that "it is pity that the Naziz used it" I did not want to mean the award itsef.

                    Well, the Neo Nazis may have the right to use it as a symbol of German Nationalism, however they are not the only Germans, and as a national symbol (to the whole nation), they should stop using it because they do not represent the whole nation or German People.

                    Greatings and Merry Christmas to all.

                    Edgar
                    Edgar, I know exactly what you meant, but whether it was the symbol or the award, matters not-they were going to use it symbolically.

                    I am not here to defend Neo Nazis, but again, why would they not use it??-to argue that because not every German today is Neo Nazi and therefore should not be used is a non sequitur.
                    Also bear in mind it was used for a long time when Germany did not exist and was merely a group of Nation States.

                    Merry Xmas

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                      #11
                      Hi David.

                      Well, perhaps you are right about the neo-Nazis using the iron cross. However, I still believe they should not. So, we have different opinion here that’s all. Sorry I did not understand “non sequitur” I apologizes for my English (or Latin?)
                      Yes, that Symbol has been in use for long, long time (800 years), by the Germans (Teutonic Knights, Prussia and the whole German nation). For me there is no problem if they still use it. I like the shape and colors of the Iron Cross. I think they should charge the new German Battle Ensign with the Iron Cross in the left upper corner of it. In my opinion it will make justice to history, heraldry and beauty. The Iron Cross was there long before the Nazis and that is what a lot of people do not know or cannot see.

                      Well David, we cannot go deeply here because it is turning political (maybe not for you and I), and as you and I know in the forum rules there is stated that the forum should be apolitical. I just wanted to tell a little bit about the roots of that nice symbol (the Iron Cross), but maybe I went political when I said that in my opinion the Neo-Nazis should not use it. So, my mistake.

                      Best wishes, and very merry Christmas.

                      Edgar

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                        #12
                        Edgar,

                        Thank you for that, your first posting was informative and I learned a few things there.
                        Yes it is difficult to discuss these things apolotically as they inherently caught up in Nationalism.
                        I agree, the iron cross is pleasing to the eye, and less evocative of the controversy associated with the swastika, and although I haven't seen the present battle flag, I think it would be enhanced by the iron cross.

                        Seasons Greetings to you!

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by eindecker2 View Post
                          From what I have understood is that the past reign of Schroder, a man who beat a police officer during a protest in the 1960's, was firmly of the party who wanted to get rid of all the past for Germany. BBC ran a program a while back about the desire for Schroder and his party to basicaly force Germany to 'forget' the past. How quaint. Today, it seems that a majority of Germany and even Europe wants to forget about all the past history and go blindly into the future. Even if Germany would have gone to war in Iraq, I would have fell over dead if the German government insittuted the Iron Cross again. See why we need to preserve the past, becasue no one wants to remember it....

                          Sorry, I'm a little late on this thread.
                          The former chancelor Schroeder is here not known as a criminal demonstrator from the late sixties student protests.
                          It was "Joschka" Fischer, his foreign minister from the greens (the "peace and anti-pollution party"), now professor in Princeton University.

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                            #14
                            Roots Of The Iron Cross

                            I think what Mr. Estrada means to say is, it's a shame that the Nazis complicated the collection of German militaria by their contamination of it. I have collected coins since I was a kid, and no one has ever called me a banker. But people who couldn't find Germany on a map to save their lives, will make smart remarks about me being a Nazi, just because I collect iron crosses. And I'm sure that everyone who collects can relate to this.

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