Is this a Schinkel EK2 Cross YES OR NO

[262a]

I obtained this EK 2 from a friend who said it was a Schinkel Iron Cross: Is this correct of is it just a normal one.

Thanks for looking

[peter3181]

No.
Peter

[pedroMM]

Definetly not a Schinkel form cross

[cobra-2001]

I agree not a schinkel . Cliff

[Yubari]

No

[toot]

is a SCHINKEL CROSS as a rues smaller in diameter / dimensions, than any other E K-1,?

[ben bijker]

Schinkel crosses have narrower arms near the center.
like most 1914 crosses have

[boch_62]

For me it's looks like Hammer&Sohne (=55)

Regards
Jarek

[pedroMM]

Here is how a Schinkel cross looks like.

[boch_62]

Here is how a Schinkel cross looks like.

IMO it's Deumer's schinkel

Regards
Jarek

[toot]

ben bijker, and pedroMM, you guys are great. thank you for taking the time to explain and show a photo of one, great! I didn't notice do they command a higher price and why were they made that way in both wars? thank's.

[pedroMM]

IMO it's Deumer's schinkel

Regards
Jarek

Indeed, it is a Deumer non-magnetic Schinkel EK2.
Good eye Jarek.
By the way, it is now in a friend's collection

[pedroMM]

ben bijker, and pedroMM, you guys are great. thank you for taking the time to explain and show a photo of one, great! I didn't notice do they command a higher price and why were they made that way in both wars? thank's.

Ben, Jarek.. those are some of the big guys to ask about EKs.. not me! I am just an amateur

Schinkel form ww2 EKs are made in that way because they followed ww1 frame proportions. Not sure if they even had actual ww1 frames, but for sure when 1939 Ek was instituted some of the ww1 makers produced their pieces following the frame dimensions they had already produced a few years back.

That changed soon and all the producers adopted the regular 1939 EK2 frame dimensions, but by that point some of the former style EK2 had already been produced and awarded.. so they remained as a early variant.

[262a]

Thankyou all for your input and the photos of the Schinkel EK 2. I now understand what the Schinkel looks like.

Have a great Sunday

Cliff